1A-A: Robert Guthrie

Robert Guthrie 1699 SCT – 1784 SCT and Jean Fowler / Fuller
~ Merchant ~
in Dundee, Angus, Scotland

ROBERT GUTHRIE
Parents: James Guthrie (merchant) 1669SCT-1710SCT and Christian Scott 1669SCT-aft.1710SCT 
Birth: 4 June 1699
Birth Location: Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Baptism/Location: 8 June 1699 at Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Marriage/Location: Jean Fowler on 3 Aug 1726 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Occupation: Merchant (Mercantile Business)
Death: 1784 (age 85)
Death Location: Unknown, presumably in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Burial Location: Unknown, presumably in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Notes:

Robert Guthrie was the 4th child, 3rd son of the family. The ‘Name Fathers’ listed on his baptismal record were: Rot: Lamb of Aldbarr, Mr Rot: Rait, Minister of Dundee, Rot: Lauderdale surveyor of his majesty’s customs, and Rot: Watson, merchant.

Like the majority of his family, Robert became involved in the mercantile business. When he was 27 years of age, he married 3 August 1726 in Dundee to Jean Fowler. They had 5 daughters born bet. 1728 and 1737. There might have been a son, too, but although James; birth record identifies his father as Robert Guthrie, it identifies his mother by the name Ann Fuller. There is no indication on the record that the child was born outside of a legal marriage, and these record keepers are not shy about using the words fornication or illegitimate. So, it may be possible that they simply wrote down the wrong name for the mother. Daughter Clara’s record is a mix of both.

JEAN FOWLER (or FOULER or FULLER)
Parents: Unidentified 
Birth: ?
Birth Location: ?
Baptism/Location: ?
Children: Christian (1728), Jean (1732), Ann (1734), Elizabeth (1737)
Death: ?
Death Location: Unknown, presumably in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Burial Location: Unknown, presumably in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Notes:

A Search of all Scotland OPR Births and Baptisms for “Jean Fowler” and variant spellings bet. 1690-1714 returns 9 entries. None for “Jean Fuller”
1) Jean Fouler daughter of Andrew Fouler and Anna Forbes – 14 Mar 1691 in Aberdeen
2) Jean Fowler daughter of William Fowler – 17 June 1705 in Kinloss
3) Jean Fouler daughter of Andrew Fouler and Elizabeth Ovens – 2 Nov 1706 in Leith South
4) Jean Fouler daughter of George Fouler and Jean Darling – 13 Feb 1707 in Duns
5) Jean Fowler daughter of Alexr. Fowler and Isa. Dickie – 13 Apr 1707 in Montrose (Only one in Angus)
6) Jean Fouler daughter of Patrick Fouler – 17 Sep 1710 in Drumoak
7) Jean Fouler daughter of David Fouler and Isabell Haddin – 13 Apr 1712 in Leith North
8) Jean Fowler daughter of John Fowler – 22 Feb 1713 in Aberlour
9) Jean Fowlerton daughter of Arthur Fowlerton and Isobel Forbes – 27 Sep 1713 in Kincardine

ANN FULLER (or FOULER or FOWLER) – ??? Real Person or Clerical Error ???
Parents: Unidentified 
Birth: ?
Birth Location: ?
Baptism/Location: ?
Children: James (1729), Clara (1731)
Death: ?
Death Location: Unknown, presumably in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Burial Location: Unknown, presumably in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Notes:
A search of all Scotland OPR Births and Baptisms for “Ann Fuller” and variant spellings bet. 1690-1714 returned no results. The same for “Ann Fowler”. There were 4 returns for “Anna Fowler”, but none in Angus.

CHILDREN: 6

CHILD 1: CHRISTIAN GUTHRIE
1728 SCT – ????

Born / Bapt. 29 of May 1728 – Parents: Robert Guthrie, mrt., and Jean Fowler, Child: Christian, Name Mothers: Christian Scott, grandmother, Mrs Christian Thepland.

There are only 2 Christian Guthrie marriages in the OPR for Angus within an appropriate time period, and both of those are already ruled out. Christian Guthrie to Robert Speid (1775) and Christian Guthrie to Robert Nielson (1762), both in Dundee. Quite a few others outside of Angus.

There are 2 Death/Burial OPR records in Angus, both in Dundee, one in 1797 and the other 1800, but the records do not contain other clues.

Children: None Identified
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

CHILD 2: JAMES GUTHRIE
1729 SCT – ????

Born / Bapt. 11 Sep 1729 – Parents: Rob:t Guthrie, mrt. and Ann Fuller, Child: James, Name Fathers: James Guthrie, __Laird of Craigie, Mr James Goldman.

Children: None Identified
Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

CHILD 3: CLARA GUTHRIE
1731 SCT – 1785 SCT

Born / Bapt. 26 April 1731 – Parents: Rob: Guthrie, mert., and (Jean is overwritten) Ann Fuller, Child: Clara, Name Mother: Clara Fletcher, Lady of Eassie.

Clara Guthrie married Sir William Moncreiffe, 4th Baronet of that Ilk. Still looking for a marriage record. He was born 11 Feb 1732.
Children: 2
1) Jean Moncreiffe
Born 17 / Bapt. 19 May 1757 – Dundee – Parents: Sir William Moncrieff of Moncrieff, and Mrs Jean (should be Clara) Guthrie, Child: Jean, Name Mothers: In Commemoration of Mrs Jean Fowler, Grandmother Mrs Jean Guthrie, Mrs Jean Nairn.

Perth the second day of February one thousand seven hundred and eighty two years ___ contracted.
Adam Cunningham Esq. of Bonnington, and Miss Jean Moncrieff daughter to Sir William moncreiff of that Ilk 4th Baronet both in this Parish. Deacon Walter Miller the Persons above named were regularly proclaimed and married the fourth of February said year by Mr Adam Peebles Minister of the Episcopal Congregation in Perth.

Adam Cunningham’s baptismal record – 15 July 1757 – Canongate
Capt. Adam Cuningham, Durham, and his spouse, Margaret Cunningham, had a son born 15 July baptized the same day named Adam Cunningham. Witnesses Mr Robert Walker on of the Ministers of Edinburgh and Lady Luffness.

Trees link the following 2nd marriage to this woman, but the descriptions of the occupations do not appear to match the family above. On 13 Feb 1797 in Edinburgh, Peter Provan, Gentleman’s Servant, and Jean Moncreiff both in St Andrews Church parish daughter of William Moncreiff Breeches maker same parish.

Cunningham Children: None Identified
Provan Children: William (1799) – If this is actually the right couple.
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Descendant of a Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

2) Thomas Moncreiffe – (Sir) 5th Baronet of than Ilk
Born 7 / Bapt. 9 June 1758 – Dundee – Parents: Sir William Moncreif of that Ilk, Baronet, and Clara Guthrie, Child: Thomas, Name Fathers: Sir George Stewart of Grandtully, Baronet, G.Father, Mr Robt. Guthrie, mert. in Dundee.

Married at Dalhousie Castle Aug. 13th 1786, Sir Thomas Moncrieffe of Moncrieffe, Bart., of the Parish of Dunbarny, and the Right Honorable Elisabeth Ramsey eldest daughter to the Right Honorable Earl of Dalhousie of this Parish, 12 marr: 27 Sept 86. “The match is said not to have been a happy one, and as it was mainly brought about by Baron Moncreiffe, he deemed himself bound to take the lady’s part, and at his death he left her the estate of Moredun in the parish of Liberton, near Edinburgh.” (ES)

Thomas died on 26 March 1818 at 59 years of age. His widow survived another thirty years. She passed away 3 June 1848 in Chapel Street, Belgrave Square from injuries caused by her dress catching fire.

Children: David (1788) – 6th Bt., Georgina Elizabeth (1790)
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Descendant of a Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

CHILD 4: JEAN GUTHRIE
1732 SCT – ????

Born / Bapt. 18 June 1732 – Parents: Robert Guthrie, mert., and Jean Fuller, Child: Jean, Name Mother: Jean Graham, Lady of Ballanscho(?)

No OPR marriage record found that can be confirmed as being this Jean Guthrie. No further data.

Children: None Identified
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

CHILD 5: ANN GUTHRIE
1734SCT – ????

Born / Bapt. 17 August 1734 – Parents: Robert Guthrie, mert, and Jean Fowler, Child: Ann, Name Mothers: Ann Dempster spouse to John Guthrie, mert., Ann Fowler, aunt.

No further data.

Children: None Identified
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

CHILD 6: ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
1729 SCT – ????

Born / Bapt. 17 October 1737 – Parents: Mr Rob: Guthrie, mert, and Mrs Jean Fowler, Child: Eliz. Name Mothers: Elizabeth Gardyn, Lady of Craigie, Aunt.

No further data.

Children: None Identified
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

READING and RESOURCES

BOOK: Seton, George (1890). The House of Moncrieff, Edinburgh, Printed for Private Circulation, No. 78 of 150 copies. Digital Repository: Electric Scotland.
From the section on the Fourth and Fifth Baronets, p.68