2C: Robert Guthrie

Robert Guthrie 1752PA – 1815OH and Elizabeth Jane Caldwell
of Washington County, Pennsylvania and Harrison County, Ohio, USA

ROBERT GUTHRIE
Parents: Unidentified/Unverified (Theorized by LRG to be James Guthrie and Miss Bissell)
Birth: abt. 1752
Birth Location: Pennsylvania (probable)
Marriage: 4 May 1778 in Pennsylvania, USA
Occupation: Farmer
Military Service:
Death: 6 May 1815
Death Location: Cadiz, Harrison, Ohio, USA
Burial: Nottingham Cemetery, Harrison, Ohio, USa

ELIZABETH JANE / JANE ELIZABETH CALDWELL
Parents: William Caldwell (1726-1791) and Margaret McCune (1737-1832)
Birth: 20 Feb 1760
Birth Location: Pennsylvania (probable)
Children: William (1780), Elizabeth (1781), Nathaniel (1783), Margaret (1784), Robert Caldwell (1785), Jane (1788), Samuel (1789), John Allen (1790), Mary (1792), Agnes (1794), David (1796), James Caldwell (1798), Joseph (1800), Sarah (1802), Martha (1804), Josiah (1808)
Death: 31 May 1815
Death Location: Cadiz, Harrison, Ohio, USA
Burial: Nottingham Cemetery, Harrison, Ohio, USA

NOTES:

Laurence R. Guthrie, the author of ‘American Guthrie and Allied Families’ gathered together a hypothetical family headed by James Guthrie, who reportedly married a Miss Bussell (or Bissell), with 4 potential sons: James Jr, Robert, Thomas, and William. In his defense, LRG’s daunting task of identifying Guthrie families and their individual members was accomplished at a time when research required travel and correspondence was accomplished by paper and pen. He made a few educated guesses as to how individuals may have been related based on the data available. The one research tool he did not have in his arsenal was the use of DNA testing to confirm or debunk his theories. For the most part, those theories have correctly proven the relatedness to people within the same overall genetic group, however the family of Robert Guthrie appears to be an exception.

Y-DNA is inherited directly from father to son across many generations virtually unchanged. This allows us to determine whether a Guthrie line belongs to the same family. Direct line male descendants of these 4 “brothers” should be virtually identical if they belong to the same biological father. The Y-DNA of descendant of James Jr’s direct male descendants matches Guthrie Family Group 2A. Thomas’ line requires more participation to confirm a match to a group, presumably also GFG2A. William had no known descendants, so there is no Y-DNA to test. Leaving Robert’s direct male descendants. As of 2022, there are 2 Guthrie men in the Guthrie DNA Project whose most recent common ancestors are Robert Guthrie and Elizabeth Jane Caldwell, one descending from their son William Guthrie and the other from son Robert Caldwell Guthrie. These 2 men share the same Y-DNA profile, proving that their ancestors William and Robert Caldwell Guthrie inherited Y-DNA from the same paternal source, namely Robert Guthrie (1752-1815). That Y-DNA is unique to the project and does not match GFG2A nor any other currently established Guthrie Family Group.

Autosomal DNA testing of male and female descendants from multiple lines, also shows relatedness to these 2 Guthrie participants and to each other, which also tells us that all of the represented children more than likely are also the biological descendants of Robert Guthrie and his wife Elizabeth Jane Caldwell.

It is unclear whether Robert Guthrie (1752-1815) had any familial association with the men and women of GFG2A at all. He resided in Washington County, Pennsylvania and was living on Buffalo Creek next to William Caldwell, his father-in-law, in 1787. Could he have been adopted into the family? Maybe. Could he have been the result of a ‘non-paternal event’? Maybe. A few of our genetic groups are obviously the result of non-Guthrie Y-DNA being introduced to a historical Guthrie family line, and at times this is quite obvious as the Y-DNA results match men of another surname to a significant degree. That is not the case here when there is only 1 additional match at the Y111 level to a man of the Smith surname who claims paternal ancestry from the Netherlands. There are several Todd surname matches at the Y67 marker level, but they appear to be distant ones and/or no longer produce a match at the Y111 level.

Importantly, an assessment of the Autosomal DNA results of our two Guthrie Y-DNA participants also shows relatedness to a few individuals with Bissell ancestry that is not specifically tied to their own Guthrie relatives. This could indicate that there is indeed a “Miss Bissell” in their family line. For now, descendants of Robert Guthrie and Elizabeth Jane Caldwell have been assigned the designation of Guthrie Family Group 2C as a sub-group of the main group, GFG2A. So there is still the possibility that Robert Guthrie could have been raised in the same household as his theorized brothers, but proof is still lacking.

Older trees and sources identify Robert Guthrie’s wife as Elizabeth Jane Caldwell. The more recent research of Steve Guthrie lists Robert’s spouse as Jane Elizabeth. She was the mother of 16 children. The family moved from Pennsylvania to Harrison County, Ohio settling about eight miles south of Cadiz. The five youngest children born in 1800 or after were all born in Ohio. Robert Guthrie died on 6 May 1815 and his wife just weeks later on 31 May 1815.

CHILDREN: 16

WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1780PA-1854OH

Eldest son William Guthrie was born on 8 August 1780, this DOB being calculated from tombstone data. He married Eleanor Evans (1779-1839) about 1800 in Ohio. They resided in Richland County, Ohio raising their 12 children. William was a farmer. After his wife’s death, William remarried to Elizabeth Finch (1803-1873) on 6 August 1840. They had 2 additional children. William died on 2 Nov 1854 in Richland County and is buried at Rome Presbyterian Church Revolutionary War Cemetery. His tombstone lists him as aged 74 years, 2 months, and 23 days.
CHILDREN:
1) Samuel Guthrie 1801OH-18??
2) Robert David Guthrie 1802OH-1885
3) John Evans Guthrie 1806OH-1865
4) William Patterson Guthrie 1807OH-1879
5) Jane C Guthrie 1809OH-1837
6) Francis E Guthrie 1810OH-1875
7) Elizabeth Guthrie 1813OH-1837
8) Nathaniel South Guthrie 1816OH-1896
9) Mary Guthrie 1818OH-18??
10) James Guthrie 1820OH-1876
11) Sarah Guthrie 1821OH-18??
12) Lydia Guthrie 1824OH-1854
13) David F Guthrie 1842OH-1853
14) Stephen A Guthrie 1848OH-1920

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Autosomal DNA Participants: Yes

ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
1781-1833

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

NATHANIEL GUTHRIE
1783-????

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

MARGARET GUTHRIE
1784-1850

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: Yes

ROBERT CALDWELL GUTHRIE
1785-1854

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Autosomal DNA Participants: Yes

JANE GUTHRIE
1788-????

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

SAMUEL GUTHRIE
1789-1851

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

JOHN ALLEN GUTHRIE
1790-1869

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

MARY GUTHRIE
1792-1848

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: Yes

AGNES ‘NANCY’ F GUTHRIE
1794-1877

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

DAVID GUTHRIE
1796-1870

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

JAMES CALDWELL GUTHRIE
1798-1864

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

JOSEPH GUTHRIE
1800-1879

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

SARAH GUTHRIE
1802-1885

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

MARTHA GUTHRIE
1804-1836

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – Female Guthrie
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

JOSIAH GUTHRIE
1808-1858

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Autosomal DNA Participants: No

READING and RESOURCES

BOOK: Guthrie, Steve. ‘ Robert Guthrie & Jane Elizabeth Caldwell. Also Included: My research notes on James Guthrie & Miss Bussell…the supposed parents of Robert Guthrie‘ Digital Repository: FamilySearch. Note that this edition can only be viewed at the Family History Library or one of the Family History Centers.

BOOK: Guthrie, Steve. ‘My Guthrie Family: (from Pennsylvania to San Diego), Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. Digital Repository: FamilySearch.