A: James Guthrie & Elizabeth Casdorph

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG3A BRANCH A

James Guthrie 1775SCT? – 1850VA & Elizabeth Casdorph
of Scotland and/or Maryland and Virginia/WestVirginia

According to a biography on the Guthrie family, James Guthrie‘s parents are Andrew Guthrie & Mary Robinson of Arbilot, Angus, Scotland. There is no source data attached to the bio. Others list his wife’s maiden name as Robertson. A search of the Old Parish Records of Scotland reveals Andrew Guthrie b.1740 Carmyllie, Angus, Scotland married to Mary Robertson on 12 Jan 1765 in Arbirlot, Angus, Scotland. They had 2 sons: Alexander (1772) and James (1775) and several daughters: Jean (1765), Margaret (1770), Mary Polly (1779) and Elizabeth (1783) documented in the OPR.

If this couple are indeed the parents to James Guthrie, there are two more generations to the tree. Andrew’s parents are David Guthrie & Jean Clerk. They lived in Carmyllie and had 4 children documented in the OPR: Andrew (1740), Jean (1742), David (1745), and Isobel (1748).

David’s parents were Thomas Guthrie and Janet Doig of Arbirlot and Carmyllie. They were the parents of Archibald (1717), Margaret (1718), David (1720), John (1722), Isobel (1725), James (1727), William (1729), and Alexander (1729).

A Y-DNA from a direct paternal line of Thomas & Janet, David & Janet, or Andrew & Mary is needed in order to conclusively prove the generational connections.

An alternate origin theory has made its way into the discussion threads for GFG3A Branch D: Alexander Guthrie & Eleanor Amis. Early Tax Records for Kanawha County, Virginia (now WV) collectively include James (Branch A), Alexander (Branch D) and Robert (Branch E), along with a man named John Guthrie, whose origins remain unidentified. Could John Guthrie be the father of these three men, or another close relative?



THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG3A
Group Designation: Branch A – (The Guthries of Kanawha)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-BY12113

YDNA Matches:
Kit 645225 (+FF)
James Guthrie/Elizabeth Casdorph 1775SCT-1850VA > Henson Guthrie 1801VA-1873WV > James Lewis Guthrie 1828VA-After1900WV (2xGGF) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal Kits:
Kit 274401 (Included here d/t Andrew Guthrie/Mary Robertson descendant)
Thomas Guthrie c1689-1789SCT > David Guthrie b1720SCT > Andrew Guthrie b1740 SCT > Mary Polly Guthrie 1779SCT-1831IN > Mary Polly Kitchen 1805VA-1887IN > George W Newhouse 1882IN-1911IN (2xGGF)

Kit 484975
James Guthrie/Elizabeth Casdorph 1775SCT-1850VA > Henson Guthrie 1801VA-1873WV (2xGGF)

Kit B91888
James Guthrie/Elizabeth Casdorph 1775SCT-1850VA > Henson Guthrie 1801VA-1873WV > John Guthrie 1836VA-1882WV (2xGGF) +more


Findings:
Kit 645225 matches GFG3A’s YDNA profile. It is currently a Y37 marker test with a 36/37 match with Group Mode DNA. A single mutation is found at DSY464d = 19 (mode 18), which is unique to this kit.

FF Kit 274401 shows a mix of matches to Guthrie descendants from various groups and ungrouped lineages, but does include one match to a person who descends from GFG3A Robert Guthrie & Frances Fowler.



THE FAMILY of JAMES GUTHRIE & ELIZABETH CASDORPH

JAMES GUTHRIE
Parents: Andrew Guthrie & Mary Robertson (Unverified)
Born: 9 July 1775 (if born to above)
Location: Arbirlot, Angus, Scotland (if born to above); Alt: Maryland
1st Marriage: Elizabeth Casdorph, Abt. 1800 in Kanawha, Virginia, USA
2nd Marriage: Judah Henderson on 11 July 1826 in Kanawha, Virginia, USA
Occupation: Unknown
Death: 18 June 1850
Location: Kanawha County, Virginia, USA
Burial: Kanawha County, Virginia, USA, presumably


ELIZABETH CASDORPH
Parents: Thomas Jacob Casdorph & Sophy Bore (Unverified)
Born: Abt. 1780
Location: Bucks County, Pennsylvania, USA
Sons: Henson (1801), Elijah (1805), John (1817), James (1817)
Daughters: Mary (1808), Nancy (1810), Martha (1812), Sarah (1814), Julia Ann E (1821)
Death: 1821-1826
Location: Kanawha County, Virginia, USA, presumably
Burial: Kanawha County, Virginia, USA, presumably


JUDAH HENDERSON
Parents: Unknown
Born: 1781-1790
Location: Unknown
Sons: None Known
Daughters: None Known
Death: 1840-1850, probably
Location: Kanawha County, Virginia, USA, presumably
Burial: Kanawha County, Virginia, USA, presumably


CHILDREN:

HENSON GUTHRIE
1801VA-1873WV

Henson Guthrie was born about 1801 likely depending on the actual year of James Guthrie’s marriage to Elizabeth Casdorph, which could have been between 1801-1803. Henson lived in Kanawha County for his whole life where he worked as a farmer. He married Elizabeth ‘Betsy’ Cavender in 1825. They were parents to Charles Wesley (1825), James Lewis (1828), Elizabeth (1830), Christopher Columbus (1833), John (1836), Mason Calvin (1837), and Lethe Ann (1843). After Betsy’s death in 1868, Henson lived with his son John and family. He died 28 May 1872 (alt date 24 May 1872) in Union, Kanawha, WV.

Guthrie Children: 7

YDNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


ELIJAH GUTHRIE
1805VA-1880WV

Elijah Guthrie was born about 1805 in Kanawha County, Virginia. He married Jane B Thomas. Children: Mary A E (1833), Elmira (1835), James R H (1837), Malvina Jane (1841), and Amacetta E (1842). Their family were farmers in Charleston, VA/WV. Elijah and his wife Jane both died about 1880 sometime after the census.

Thomas Children: 5
YDNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


MARY ‘POLLY’ GUTHRIE
1808VA-Bet.1841-50VA

Polly married John Selman on 15 Feb 1827 in Kanawha County, Virginia. They were parents to Thomas Selman (1827), James Preston Selman (1832), Roxanne Selman (1835), Julia Selman (1838) and Jarrett Selman (1840). It is presumed that Polly died between 1840 and 1850. She is not listed with the family in the 1850 or 1860 census.

Selman Children: 5
Family Finder Participants: No


NANCY GUTHRIE
Abt. 1810VA – Aft. 1850

Daughter Nancy Guthrie was born about 1810-1812. She is listed on the 1850 census. No further data found.

Children: None Known
Family Finder Participants: No


MARTHA ‘PATSY’ GUTHRIE
1812VA – Aft. 1850

Patsy married Thomas Fauber on 20 January 1834 in Kanawha County, Virginia. The family is listed in the 1850 census of District 29 in Kanawha Children: Catharine (1834), Julia A (1836), Elizabeth (1838), Judy (1839), Monroe (1841), George (1843), Dryden (1845), Nancy (1847). They are listed next door to Elijah Guthrie & family.

Fauber Children: 8 known
Family Finder Participants: No


SARAH GUTHRIE
1814VA – Aft. 1850

Sarah Guthrie’s marriage to William Hensley took place in Kanawha County, Virginia on 26 May 1831. Their children were Drusilla (1838), Mordacai (1840), Harriett Aseneth (1841), Sarah (1845), and Mary A (1848). They were living in Putnam County, Virginia during the 1850 census.

Hensley Children: 5 known
Family Finder Participants: No


JAMES GUTHRIE
1816VA – Aft.1880WV

James Guthrie was born about 1816 in Kanawha County, Virginia. He appears to have married twice. First to Paulina Melton in July 1851 by whom he had 1 daughter: Margaretta (1855). Secondly to Elizabeth Ann Dawson in 1857 by whom he had 3 children: Laurida (1858), William McClellan (1862), and Emma Stacia (1867). James was a farmer. He died sometime after the 1880 census.

Guthrie Children: 4 known
YDNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JOHN GUTHRIE
1817VA – 1910WV

John Guthrie was born on 25 Dec 1817 in Charleston, Kanawha, West Virginia. John was a farmer who married Mary Wallace there on 15 Jan 1841. They were parents to 6 sons and 5 daughters: Alexander (1841), Harriet (1843), Nancy (1845), Louisa (1847), Nathan (1848), Pauline Virginia (1851), Ellen Pauline (1853), Flavious Josephus (1856), John Ishmeal (1858), Stephen Amos (1861), and William Grant (1868). Mary died in 1907 and John died on 14 Feb 1910 in Charleston, Kanawha, WV.

Guthrie Children: 11
YDNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JULIA ANN E GUTHRIE
1821VA – 1877AR

Julia was born about 1821 in Kanawha County, Virginia. She married Simeon Peter Tate in Kanawha County on 23 July 1839. They moved to Bauou Meto in Pulaski County, Arkansas. Children: Margaret (1839), James (1841), William B (1843), John (1846), Mary W (1850), Albert F (1858), Isabella (1862).

Tate Children: 7
Family Finder Participants: No



HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1775: BIRTH of JAMES GUTHRIE

Census records tell us that James Guthrie was born 1766-1784 narrowed to about 1775. A brief sketch of the Guthrie family in a book on Sissonville history, James’ parents are revealed as Andrew Guthrie and Mary Robinson (actually Robertson), but the book does not list its sources. If accurate, this couple had their son James Guthrie baptized on 9 July 1775 in Arbirlot, Angus, Scotland.

The 1850 census records James Guthrie’s birthplace as Maryland. If James is instead the son of John Guthrie, per the other origin theory, the family may have lived in Maryland prior to moving to Virginia. There are 2 potential men within the known GFG3A families who might be identified as John Guthrie. One is John, son of Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles. The other is John Guthrie, son of William Guthrie & Ann Hunter. Research required.

1789: FORMATION of KANAWHA COUNTY, VIRGINIA
Virginia, USA on 5 October 1789

The county began taking formation on 14 Nov 1788 under authority of the Virginia General Assembly, and was officially founded on 5 Oct 1789.

1790: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Lost/Destroyed

The closest available records would be the 1790 Tax Records. Other GFG3A families lived in the Rockbridge County area. Tax Records include a John Guthrie and John Guthrie Sr.

1798: SETTLMENT in KANAWHA COUNTY, VIRGINIA
According to ‘Sissonville: A Time to Remember‘, p86, James Guthrie settled in the Union District of Kanawha County in 1798 obtaining a large tract of land that came to be known as the town of Guthrie.

ABOUT 1800: MARRIAGE of JAMES GUTHRIE & ELIZABETH CASDORPH

The marriage document for James & Elizabeth is the source of information and/or disinformation. The marriage year is incomplete, but the entry is grouped with the minister’s entries for the years 1801-1803.

James’ full name is in question. The name James G Guthrie and/or James Gullery Guthrie is frequently found in trees across the internet. I submit that the original includes a mistake with a correction. He appears to be listed as James Gullory (Guthrie), with the Guthrie surname squeezed in in parentheses, therefore he is actually James Guthrie. Also, note that ‘Gullory’ is actually ‘Guttory’. The cross for the two Ts is just above.

His wife Elizabeth also appears to be a potential source of an original error. Her name is listed as Elizabeth Castor instead of Casdorph, which seems to be a phonetic mispelling.

1800: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Lost/Destroyed.

1800: COURT CASE – JOHN GUTHRIE v. NICHOLAS CHENWORTH
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

John Guthrie issued a lawsuit against Nicholas Chenworth for the destruction of timber and trespassing.

1801: TAX RECORDS
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

Categories: White Males over 16/Slaves over 12/Slaves over 16/Horses

Guthrie, John 2 0 0 1
Guthrie, Robert 1 0 0 0
Guthrie, James 1 0 0 0

ABT. 1801: BIRTH of SON – HENSON GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

His DOB may have been between 1801-1803 based on the group of marriages recorded near James & Elizabeth’s.

1802: TAX RECORDS
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

1805: BIRTH of SON – ELIJAH GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

ABT. 1808: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARY ‘POLLY’ GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

ABT. 1810: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – NANCY GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

1810: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

JAMES GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M & 1F 26-44 (1766-1784), 2M & 3F under 10 (1801-1810). Also listed for Kanawha is the household of a Robert Guthrey 1M & 1F 26-44, 1M & 3F under 10.

1812: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARTHA ‘PATSY’ GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

1814: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – SARAH GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

1816: BIRTH of SON – JAMES GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

1817: TAX LIST
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 11 March 1817

James Guthrie 1M over 16, no slaves; 11 Feb 1817 John Guthrie 1M over 16, no slaves

1817: BIRTH of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE
Charleston, Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 25 December 1817

1820: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

JAMES GUTERY HOUSEHOLD: 1M & 1F 26-44 (1776-1794); 1M 16-25 (1795-1804), 1M & 1F 10-15 (1805-1810), 2M & 2F under 10 (1811-1820). 3 in Agriculture. This is the only Guthrie household listed for Kanawha.

1821: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – JULIA ANN E GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

1821-1826: DEATH of WIFE – ELIZABETH (CASDORPH) GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA, presumably

1825: MARRIAGE of SON – HENSON GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

Henson Guthrie married Elizabeth ‘Betsy’ Cavender. They were parents to Charles Wesley (1825), James Lewis (1828), Elizabeth (1830), Christopher Columbus (1833), John (1836), Mason Calvin (1837), and Lethe Ann (1843). They lived in Union, Kanawha County.

1826: MARRIAGE of JAMES GUTHRIE & JUDAH HENDERSON
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 11 July 1826

1827: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MARY ‘POLLY’ GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 15 February 1827

Polly married John Selman. They were parents to Thomas Selman (1827), James Preston Selman (1832), Roxanne Selman (1835), Julia Selman (1838) and Jarrett Selman (1840). It is presumed that Polly died between 1840 and 1850. She is not listed with the family in the 1850 or 1860 census.

1830: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

There are 2 entries in the 1830 census that might fit the households of James Guthrie and Henson Guthrie. However, the names listed are Jane Gurtris and Henry Gurthur.

JANE GUTRIS (PROBABLY JAMES GUTHRIE):
1M 50-59, 1F 40-49, 1M & 2F 20-29, 1F 15-19, 2M 10-14, 1F 5-9, Slaves: 1F 10-23.

1831: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – SARAH GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 26 May 1831

Sarah Guthrie’s husband was William Hensley. Children born before the 1850 census were Drusilla (1838), Mordacai (1840), Harriett Aseneth (1841), Sarah (1845), and Mary A (1848).

ABT. 1832: MARRIAGE of SON – ELIJAH GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, presumably

Elijah Guthrie married Jane B Thomas about 1832. Their children were Mary A E (1833), Elmira (1835), James R H (1837), Malvina Jane (1841), and Amacetta E (1842). They were farmers in Charleston, VA/WV.

1834: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MARTHA ‘PATSY’ GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 20 January 1834

Patsy Guthrie married Thomas Fauber. Children born before 1850 are: Catharine (1834), Julia A (1836), Elizabeth (1838), Judy (1839), Monroe (1841), George (1843), Dryden (1845), Nancy (1847).

1839: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – JULIA ANN E GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 23 July 1839

Julia Ann E Guthrie married Simeon Peter Tate. They had 7 children: Margaret (1839), James (1841), William B (1843), John (1846), Mary W (1850), Albert F (1858), Isabella (1862).

1840: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

JAS GUTHERIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M 60-69 (1771-1780), 1F 50-59 (1781-1790), 3M 30-39 (1801-1810), 1F 20-29 (1811-1820), Slaves: 1F 10-23, 1F under 10.

1841: MARRIAGE of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE
Charleston, Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 15 January 1841.

John Guthrie married Mary Wallace. They were parents to Alexander (1841), Harriet (1843), Nancy (1845), Louisa (1847), Nathan (1848), Pauline Virginia (1851), Ellen Pauline (1853), Flavious Josephus (1856), John Ishmeal (1858), Stephen Amos (1861), and William Grant (1868).

BEFORE 1850: DEATH of WIFE – JUDAH (HENDERSON) GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

Probably before the 1850 census.

1850: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: James Guthrie 76 (born 1774) no occupation, born in MD; James Guthrie 34 (born 1816) stone mason, born in VA; Nancy Guthrie 38 (born 1812), born in VA.

1850: DEATH of JAMES GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA on 18 June 1850

1851: MARRIAGE of SON – JAMES GUTHRIE
Kanawha County, Virginia, USA in July of 1851

James Guthrie married Paulina Melton with whom he had 1 daughter, Margaretta M Guthrie (1855). Paulina probably died 1855-1857 because James has a 2nd marriage by 1857.

1857: 2ND MARRIAGE of SON – JAMES GUTHRIE
Putnam County, Virginia, USA

James Guthrie married Elizabeth Ann Dawson in 1857. They were parents to 3 children: Laurida (1858), William McClellan (1862), and Emma Stacia (1867)