A: Joseph Guthrie & Unknown (MNU)

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG15 – BRANCH A

Joseph Guthrie & Unidentified Spouse
of Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, USA

Indications are that Joseph Guthrie was probably born (or immigrated to) Virginia where he likely married and his eldest children were born. Other children may have been born in Pennsylvania, suggesting that as Joseph moved westward toward Ohio, than he lived there for a time. The family finally settled in Adams County, Ohio.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG15
Group Designation: Branch A – (The Guthries of Virginia/Pennsylvania/Ohio)

Haplogroup: I-M253
Confirmed Haplogroup: N/A

YDNA Matches: 2
Kit 178599 + FF (Separate Kit 334036)
Joseph Guthrie/Unidentified (MNU) > Elisha Guthrie/Rebecca Caspion > James Robinson Guthrie/Florence Heaton Spiese (GGP)

Kit B543418 + FF
[Probable: Joseph Guthrie/Unidentified (MNU) > David Guthrie/Mary (MNU)] > William Guthrie/Katy Emeline Boyles > Thomas Franklin Guthrie/Jemima Brumley > William Sharman Guthrie/Iva Alice Tumbleson (GGP)

Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Matches: 1 (plus the 2 above)
Joseph Guthrie/Unidentified (MNU) > Jonathan Guthrie/Sarah Dobbins > Mary Jane Guthrie/John Linn Bradford > Rufus William Bradford/Mary Jane Bannister (GGP)

Findings:

The new YDNA match to a second Guthrie man matching the genetic profile of Kit 178599 indicates that the original YDNA was introduced to the family no later than Joseph Guthrie’s generation.

There is no obvious surname found amongst the short list of YDNA matches to suggest the source of the direct paternal line.

There are 3 unique differences in the YDNA markers between the two men at the Y37 level. These are currently insignificant findings as there are no other project matches for further comparison.

The three Autosomal Kits do not share DNA. This is not wholly unexpected considering the most recent common ancestor is 5 – 6 generations removed.


THE FAMILY of JOSEPH GUTHRIE & his UNIDENTIFIED SPOUSE

JOSEPH GUTHRIE
Birth: Before 1775 (census-based estimate)
Location: Unknown, possibly Virginia
Marriage: Unknown, possibly Virginia
Occupation: Unknown
Died: Unknown, probably between 1820-1830
Location: Unknown, presumably in Liberty, Adams, Ohio
Buried: Unknown


UNIDENTIFIED SPOUSE
Birth: Unknown, presumably before 1775
Location: Unknown, possibly Virginia
Sons: David (1792), Jonathan (1793), Joseph (1803), Elisha (1805), William (1806)
Daughters: None Identified
Died: Unknown, presumably in Liberty, Adams, Ohio
Buried: Unknown


CHILDREN:

DAVID GUTHRIE
1792VA – 1859IL

David Guthrie was born in Virginia about 1792. He was living in his own household in Huntington, Brown, Ohio during the 1820 census and the family remained there through the 1840 census. By 1850 David and his wife Mary had moved to Jefferson County, Illinois where they were living next door to their (inferred) son Joseph Montaque Guthrie. David died there in 1859.

Children: 7
Sons: Unidentified (b1816-20), John W Guthrie (1821), Joseph Monteque Guthrie (1823)
Daughters: Unidentified (b1811-15), Unidentified (b1816-20), Unidentified (b1821-25), Sarah (1826)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No*
Family Finder Participants: No*

*Participant B543418 could potentially be a descendant of David Guthrie. However, there is no documentation currently proving that theory. Nor are there any other established descendants of that line in the project at this time.


JONATHAN GUTHRIE
1793VA – 1865IL

Jonathan Guthrie was born in Illinois. It is believed that he served in the War of 1812 from Pennsylvania. His marriage to Sarah Dobbins took place in Adams County, Ohio on 12 April 1812. They raised a large family and were still living in Adams County during the 1840 census. Jonathan, Sarah, and most of their children made the move to Jefferson County, Illinois by 1850. Jonathan died there on 16 Oct 1865. Sarah survived him passing away in 1888.

Children: 9
Sons: James W Guthrie (1826), Robert D Guthrie (1833), Albert Joseph Guthrie (1845)
Daughters: Rebecca Ann Guthrie (1825), Mary Jane Guthrie (1829), Eleanor Guthrie (1832), Margaret E Guthrie (1834), Sarah Frances Guthrie (1839), Lucasta Guthrie (1840)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: Yes


JOSEPH GUTHRIE
1803VA – 18??

Joseph Guthrie was born in Virginia about 1803. He is a presumed son of Joseph Guthrie. During the 1850 census, he was living in the household of farmer William Gilbert, 33, and Margaret J Gilbert, 26, along with their son Samuel Gilbert, a newborn, and Eleanor Gilbert, 66. He was listed as a laborer. No additional information known about Joseph.

Children: Unknown

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


ELISHA GUTHRIE
1805PA – 1851

Elisha Guthrie was born in Pennsylvania about 1805. His marriage to Rebecca Caspison took place in Adams County, Ohio on 7 Jan 1830. They had 3 sons and 4 daughters. They are listed in their own household in Sprigg, Adams, Ohio in 1850 and 1860. Elisha was a farmer. He likely died between 1850-1860 in Adams County as Rebecca is listed as the Head of Household in 1860.

Children: 7
Sons: John L Guthrie (1838), Joseph H Guthrie (1842), James Robinson Guthrie (1844)
Daughters: Mary E Guthrie (1832), Sarah Guthrie (1838), Harriet J Guthrie (1848), Margaret N Guthrie (1852)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1806PA – 1871-9

William Guthrie was born in Pennsylvania about 1806. He was a wagon maker. He married Margaret Caspison in Adams County, Ohio on 4 Feb 1830, a month after his brother Elisha and her sister Rebecca also married. They had a small family. Margaret appears to have died around 1841, and William remarried within the next ten years to a Rebecca (MNU). This does not appear to be his sister-in-law as she did not become a widow until the 1860s. William died in between 1871-1879, probably in Adams County, OH.

Children: 3
Sons: Thomas M Guthrie (1831), Wilson Guthrie (1833)
Daughters: Jane Guthrie (1835)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


FAMILY EVENTS & HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

Before 1775: BIRTH of JOSEPH GUTHRIE
Virginia Colony, possibly

Joseph Guthrie’s birthplace and birth date remain unknown. Census records show that he was over 45 years of age in 1820, which is the only census record for his household. The Virginia locale is extrapolated from the birth locations of the men presumed to be his sons, although it is possible that Joseph was born elsewhere.

1792: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) SON – DAVID GUTHRIE
Virginia, USA about 1792

According to the 1850 census, David Guthrie was born in Virginia. His age of 58 indicates that he was born about 1792. This is later than the 1776-1784 range listed in the 1820 census, but fits the range of 1791-1800 listed in 1830 and 1840.

1793: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) SON – JONATHAN GUTHRIE
Virginia, USA about 1793

The 1850 and 1860 censuses list Jonathan Guthrie’s birthplace as Virginia. He was 55 in 1850 and 67 in 1860, so there is a little disparity in the listing of his age depending on the dates of collection.

1797: FORMATION of ADAMS COUNTY, OHIO
“Adams Co. formed from Hamilton and Washington Cos.; included much of what would become central and south-central Ohio.”

1803: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) SON – JOSEPH GUTHRIE
Virginia, USA about 1803

1803-1805: PRESUMABLY MOVED to PENNSYLVANIA

Technically, we don’t have a document that links Joseph Guthrie of Adams, Ohio to his presumed sons David, Jonathan, Joseph, Elisha and William. There is circumstantial evidence in that these men are found within a close proximity of one another at various times. Now we have YDNA proof of shared paternal ancestry between David (born in VA) and Elisha (born in PA).

1805: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) SON – ELISHA GUTHRIE
Pennsylvania, USA about 1805

The 1850 census lists Elisha Guthrie as a 45 year old farmer born in Pennsylvania.

1806: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Pennsylvania, USA about 1806

The 1850 census lists William Guthrie as being born in Pennsylvania about 1806.

1810: MARRIAGE of SON – DAVID GUTHRIE
Unknown Location about 1810

1820: US CENSUS of OHIO
Liberty, Adams, Ohio, USA

JOSEPH GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M 45+ (1775); 1M & 1F 26-44 (1776-1794); 2M 16-25 (1795-1804); 2M 10-15 (1805-1810).

1820: US CENSUS of OHIO
Huntington, Brown, Ohio, USA

DAVID GUTRY HOUSEHOLD: 1M 26-44 (1776-1784), 1F 16-25 (1785-1804), 1M & 2F under 10 (1811-1820). Huntington borders Liberty Twp, Adams, OH

1821: MARRIAGE of SON – JONATHAN GUTHRIE
Adams County, Ohio, USA

Jonathan Guthrie married Sarah Dobbins on 12 April 1821.

1830: MARRIAGES of SONS – ELISHA & WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Adams County, Ohio, USA

Elisha Guthrie married Rebecca Caspison on 7 Jan 1830.
William Guthrie married Margaret Caspison on 4 Feb 1830.

1830: US CENSUS of OHIO
Liberty, Adams, Ohio, USA

WILLIAM GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M 20-29 (1801-1810), 1F 15-19 (1811-1815).

1830: US CENSUS of OHIO
Huntington, Brown, Ohio, USA

DAVID GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M & 1F 30-39 (1791-1800), 1F 15-19 (1811-1815), 1M & 1F 10-14 (1816-1820), 1M & 1F 5-9 (1821-1825)

1840: US CENSUS of OHIO
Winchester, Adams, Ohio, USA

WILLIAM GUTHERY HOUSEHOLD: 1M 30-39 (1801-1810), 1F 20-29 (1811-1820), 2M 5-9 (1831-1840), 1F 5 (1836-1840).

1840: US CENSUS of OHIO
Huntington, Brown, Ohio, USA

DAVID GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M & 1F 40-49 (1791-1800), 1M & 1F 15-19 (1821-1825), 1M & 1F10-14 (1826-1830).

JONATHAN GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: 1M 40-49 (1790-1800), 1F 30-39 (1801-1810), 2F 15-19 (1821-1825), 1M & 2F 10-14 (1826-1830), 1M & 2F 5-9 (1831-1840).

1841: DEATH of DAUGHTER-IN-LAW – MARGARET (CASPISON) GUTHRIE

1841-1849: 2nd MARRIAGE of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE

A widower, William Guthrie married a 2nd time to Rebecca (MNU)

1850: US CENSUS of OHIO
Sprigg, Adams, Ohio, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: Elisha Guthrie 45 PA Farmer, Rebecca 42, Mary E 18, John 15, Sarah A 12, Joseph H 8, James 6, Harriet J 2

and

Agricultural Census (16 Aug 1850): Elisha Guthrie – 18 acres improved land w/ cash value $300; Value farm implements $10; 2 horses, 2 milk cows, 5 swine, value livestock $111, 100 bushels wheat, 600 bushels indian corn.

1850: US CENSUS of OHIO
Winchester, Adams, Ohio, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: William Guthrie 44, Rebecca 28, Thomas 20, Willson 17, Jane 15, Mary Smith 35.

1850: US CENSUS of OHIO
Huntington, Brown, Ohio, USA

GILBERT HOUSEHOLD: William Gilbert, farmer, 33; Margaret J Gilbert 26; Samuel Gilbert 0; Joseph Guthrie, laborer, 47; Eleanor Gilbert, 66.

1850: US CENSUS of ILLINOIS
District 10, Jefferson, Illinois, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: David Guthrie 58, Mary Guthrie 60, Sarah Guthrie 24; Next Door is the household of Joseph Montaque Guthrie (inferred son).

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: Jonathn 55 farmer VA; Sarah 45 PA; James 23 farmer OH, Rebecca A 25 OH, Mary J 21 OH, Robert 19 farmer OH, Eleanor 18 OH, Margaret 16 OH, Sarah 12 OH, Lucasta 9 OH, Joseph A OH.

1851-1860: DEATH of SON – ELISHA GUTHRIE

1859: DEATH of SON & DAUGHTER-in-LAW- DAVID & MARY GUTHRIE
Jefferson County, Illinois, USA

“Among those who have left us are: David Guthrie, 1859.”
(Source: Wall’s History of Jefferson County Illinois, p302)

Burial: West Salem Cemetery, Shiloh Twp., Jefferson, Illinois. “Mary wife of David Guthrie died June 6, 1859 aged about 71 years.

1860: US CENSUS of OHIO
Winchester, Adams, Ohio, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: William Guthrie 56 PA; Rebecca 38

1860: US CENSUS of ILLINOIS
Township 3 S Range 2 E, Jefferson, Illinois, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: Jonothan 67 VA, Sarah 56 OH, Jane 28 OH, Margaret E 24 OH, Sarah F 21 OH, Lucasta 18 OH, Albert J 15 IL, James OH.

1865: DEATH of SON – JONATHAN GUTHRIE
Jefferson County, Illinois, USA on 16 Oct 1865

1870: US CENSUS of OHIO
Winchester, Adams, Ohio, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: William Guthrie 63 wagonmaker PA; Rebecca Guthrie 48.

1871-1879: DEATH of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE

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