A: Andrew S Guthrie & Isabella Rader

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG10

Andrew S Guthrie 1801-1869 & Isabella Rader
of Hawkins & Greene Counties, Tennessee, USA

When Andrew Guthrie’s father moved to Mississippi, he left his son in the care of relatives, James W Guthrie and his wife Isabella Carmichael who lived in Greene County, Tennessee. The identities of Andrew’s birth parents are unknown. Descendants do not possess Guthrie Y-DNA, so it is possible that any Guthrie ancestry is on his mother’s side. Also possible that if his father was the Guthrie, that Andrew was not his biological son, or that the same genetic profile applies to the East TN Guthries as a whole.

The Guthries of East TN have a convoluted history that appears to include a missing generation or two. The lack of a clear timeline for this family makes it difficult to pinpoint their true origins. We need a Y-DNA participant that can represent the direct male Guthrie line of James G Guthrie, the biological son of James Guthrie & Isabella Carmichael to determine how this jigsaw puzzle fits together.

One potential ancestor is identified as Francis Guthrie (born c1710) who immigrated to Pennsylvania in the early-mid 1700s. He is credited with 3 sons: James, Paul, and Robert. The latter’s lineage has been Y-DNA tested and matches Guthrie Family Group 3A. (See GFG3A-BranchB). James and Paul’s lines remain untested.

Guthrie Family Group 10 currently consists of 2 men by the Guthrie name who descend directly from Andrew & Ibbie. There is also 1 man of the Perry surname who joined the project because he has matching Y-DNA. His Perry ancestors lived in SC. Two other men matching the Y-DNA profile are of the Cameron and Campbell surnames. So, there is no consistency among the other surnames to suggest an origin for the Y-DNA.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG10
Group Designation: Branch A – (The Guthries of East Tennessee)

Haplogroup: I-M253
Confirmed Haplogroup: I-M253

YDNA Matches:
Kit 109209
Andrew S Guthrie 1801TN-1869TN > John Alexander Guthrie 1841TN-1923TN (GF) +more

Kit 215380
Andrew S Guthrie 1801TN-1869TN > John Alexander Guthrie 1841TN-1923TN (GGF) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
Kit 279150

Andrew S Guthrie 1801TN-1869TN > Malinda Ann Guthrie 1852TN-1928TN (GGP)


Findings:

The Y-DNA of direct descendants does not match any of the established Guthrie Family Groups, however, the Most Recent Common Ancestor of both participants is John Alexander Guthrie. Possible that a genetic mismatch occurred at that generations. We need a Y-DNA participant who descends from one of Andrew’s other sons for comparison.

Also possible that the mismatch is due to the adoption of Andrew into the Guthrie family and that the original YDNA was of non-Guthrie origin.

THE FAMILY of ANDREW S GUTHRIE & ISABELLA RADER

ANDREW S GUTHRIE
Born: 28 December 1801
Location: Rogersville Junction, Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA
Married: Isabella Rader on 11 Sep 1832 Greene County, TN
Occupation: Farmer
Died: 1869
Location: Greene County, Tennessee, USA
Buried: Unknown, presumably Greene County, Tennessee, USA


ISABELLA RADER
Born: 1813
Location: Greene County, Tennessee, USA
Sons: James Guthrie (1834), Lewis William Guthrie (1836), John Alexander Guthrie (1841), Andrew Guthrie (1846), Joseph K Guthrie (1847)
Daughters: Mary A Guthrie (1838), Emaline Guthrie (1838), Laney Jane Guthrie (1845), Malinda Ann Guthrie (1852), Nancy Isabel Guthrie (1852)
Died: February 1884
Location: Greene County, Tennessee, USA
Buried: Unknown, presumably Greene County, Tennessee, USA


CHILDREN:

JAMES GUTHRIE
1834TN-1862TN

James Guthrie was born on 4 October 1834. He was the eldest child in the family. He was not listed with the family in 1850, but he was enumerated in 1860 with them. He appears to be single at the time. He died in Tennessee in 1862.

Children: 0


LEWIS WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1834TN-1914TN

Lewis William Guthrie was born in Greene County, Tennessee on 11 Feb 1836. According to a Biographical Sketch from Goodspeed’s History of Hawkins County, Lewis moved to Hawkins and rented land until 1865 when he bought 80 acres of his 560 acre farm. He was a Republican, an Odd Fellow, and a Methodist.

On 3 Nov 1859, Lewis Guthrie married Rhoda N Moore, a Hawkins County native, daughter of Robert Moore.

Children: 11
Sons: William Nelson Guthrie (1866), Floyd Alexander Guthrie (1868), George R Guthrie (1871), Samuel Elwood Guthrie (1872), Walter Guthrie (1877), John Calvin Guthrie (1882)
Daughters: Sylvesta Guthrie (1862), Mary C Guthrie (1864), Ida Guthrie (1876), Nora Mae Guthrie (1879), Sela Pearl Guthrie (1885)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


MARY A GUTHRIE
1838TN-After1900

Mary Guthrie was born about 1838 in Greene County, Tennessee. She remained single. She died sometime after the 1900 census.

Children: 0


EMALINE GUTHRIE
1838TN-Before 1875

Emaline Guthrie was born about 1838 in Greene County, Tennessee. She married Joseph Bullington in Hawkins County on 9 Oct 1872. She appears to have died without children. Joseph remarried to a Narsissus Ann Ward, with whom he had 2 children. She died in 1879. He again remarried to Annie Melvina Moyers with whom he had 4 children. He died in 1906.

Children: 0


JOHN ALEXANDER GUTHRIE
1841TN-1923TN

John Guthrie was born on 10 April 1841 in Green County, Tennessee. He was married in Hawkins County on 18 May 1865 to Elender ‘Ellen’ Moore, with whom he had 5 sons and 2 daughters. He was a farmer and a Civil War soldier. Ellen died in 1900. John remarried at the age of 66 on 11 April 1907 in Otes, Hawkins County, Tennessee to Susan Catherine Francerali Walker. She was 29 at their marriage and was mother to two sons. They made their home in Hawkins County, Tennessee. John died there on 25 March 1923. Susan died in 1952.

Children: 10
Sons: Lewis E Guthrie (1871), Alexander Guthrie (1871), William Lawson Guthrie (1878), Anderson Dauson Guthrie (1879), George Porter Guthrie (1882), Harley Lattie Guthrie (1908), Walter Thomas Guthrie (1917)
Daughters: Martha Jane Guthrie (1866), Mary Isabel Guthrie (1867), Lillie P Guthrie (1876)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: No


LANA JANE GUTHRIE
1845TN-Unknown

Laney Guthrie was born 1845 in Greene County, Tennessee. She was listed with the family as a 5 year old in 1850, but not listed in 1860. Laney married Thomas J Lemans on 24 November 1869 in Greene County where they settled and raised their family of 2 sons and 5 daughters. Laney died on 4 May 1927 and is buried at Mohawk, Greene, TN. Thomas died 1932.

Children: 7
Lemans Sons: Samuel Lemans (1882), Porter Lemans (1886)
Lemans Daughters: Lourindo Ann Lemans (1874), Sarah Magnolia Lemans (1875), Cilvesta Elizabeth Lemans (1878), Emma Analee Lemans (1879), Martha J Lemans (1884)

Family Finder Participants: No


ANDREW GUTHRIE
1846TN-1916TN

Andrew Guthrie was born in May 1846. He was a farmer. He married Sarah Ann Moore aka Sallie on 8 September 1868 in Hawkins, TN. They had 3 sons and 3 daughters. He died of paralysis on 20 August 1916 in Mohawk, Greene County, Tennessee, and his buried at Mount Hope United Methodist Church Cemetery.

Children: 6
Sons: Andrew Anderson Guthrie (1869), James Elbert Guthrie (1874), Thomas Asbery Guthrie (1876)
Daughters: Emma Ann Guthrie (1871), Mary Vessebelle Guthrie (1879), Donna Ellen Guthrie (1882)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JOSEPH K GUTHRIE
1847TN-1919TN

Joseph Guthrie was born on 4 August 1847. He married Martha Ann Moore Ward on 29 Sep 1872. They lived in Hawkins County, Tennessee where they raised 5 sons and 6 daughters. Joseph died on 25 August 1919 and is buried at Drakes Cemetery.

Children: 11
Sons: James Rolander Guthrie (1873), William E Guthrie (1883), David F Guthrie (1886), Charley R Guthrie (1890), Harvey R Guthrie (1895)
Daughters: Malinda E Guthrie (1875), Cora A Guthrie (1877), Bell Guthrie (1881), Flora M Guthrie (1888), Beaulah A Guthrie (1891), Edna C Guthrie (1893)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


MALINDA ANN GUTHRIE
1852TN-1928KS

Malinda Guthrie was born on 15 April 1852 at Bulls Gap, Hawkins, TN. She married David Bullington on 19 Nov 1873. They lived in Hamblen, TN about 1900 when they were listed in the census, and afterward moved to Kansas where they lived in Dickinson County. Malinda and David were parents to 4 sons and 4 daughters. He died in 1924. Malinda died on 31 Jan 1928.

Children: 8
Bullington Sons: Samuel Dawson Bullington (1875), William Francis Bullington (1878), Charles Ellets Bullington (1888), Lawrence Barney Bullington (1890)
Bullington Daughters: Dora Bullington (1877), Mary Lou Tishie Bullington (1880), Sallie Ellen Bullington (1882), Bertha J Bullintont (1884)

Family Finder Participants: No


NANCY ISABEL GUTHRIE
1852TN-

Twin to Malinda Guthrie, above, Nancy was born on 15 April 1852. She married William Calvin Bullington on 21 Feb 1877. They had 1 son, David, born prior to her death sometime between 1880 and 1883. William went on to remarry to Mary Catherine Ward on 18 Jan 1883 with whom he had 2 sons and 4 daughters.

Children: 1
Bullington Sons: David Elliott Bullington
Bullington Daughters: None

Family Finder Participants: No

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1801: BIRTH of ANDREW S GUTHRIE
Rodgersville, Hawkins, Tennessee, USA on 28 Dec 1801

Andrew’s parents remain unknown. He was given into the care of relatives when his father moved to Mississippi. This sounds like a situation where the mother had died and the father could not handle the care of an infant, but that is simply a theory. His father may have been a Guthrie by name, or Andrew could have assumed the Guthrie surname.

Andrew’s adoptive parents were James W Guthrie c1769-c1829 & Isabella (Carmichael) Trotter. Isabella had a daughter, Susannah, and two sons, David and Joseph, from her first marriage, and one son, James G Guthrie born in 1809.

1813: BIRTH of ISABELLA ‘IBBIE’ RADER
Greene County, Tennessee, USA

Ibbie was the daughter of John Rader and Mary Etter. Records also list her as Mary Isabella or Isabella Mary.

1832: MARRIAGE of ANDREW GUTHRIE & ISABELLA RADER
Greene County, Tennessee, USA on 11 September 1832

Andrew Guthrie and Isabella Rader were married in Greene County, TN on 11 Sep 1832. Their bondsman was James G. Guthrie, Andrew’s younger brother.

1834: BIRTH of SON – JAMES GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA on 4 October 1834

1836: BIRTH of SON – LEWIS WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA on 11 Feb 1836

His birth year is listed incorrectly in the Goodspeed Biography, which indicates he was born in Feb 1834, just 8 months before his brother James. However, it also states that Lewis is supposed to be the second child rather than the first. Census records indicate his DOB is 1836, which puts him in the correct birth order.

About 1838: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARY GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA

About 1838: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – EMALINE GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA

1841: BIRTH of SON – JOHN ALEXANDER GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA on 10 April 1841

About 1845: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – LANA JANE GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA

1846: BIRTH of SON – ANDREW GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA in May 1846

1847: BIRTH of SON – JOSEPH K GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 4 August 1847

His family was living in Greene County, TN at the time of Joseph’s birth, but his death record listed Hawkins County, TN as his birthplace.

1848: DEATH of MOTHER-IN-LAW: MARY (ETTER) RADER
Greene County, Tennessee in March 1848.

Mary Rader named her daughters in her will including “Esabella Guthrie” to whom she left her share of the balance of her wearing clothes. Will dated 2 Apr 1847. Proved 6 Mar 1848.

1850: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
Division 9, Greene County, Tennessee, USA

GUTHREY HOUSEHOLD:
Andrew 49 Tenant TN
Isabella 37 TN (illiterate)
William 15 laborer TN
Mary A 14 TN
Emeline 12 TN
John A 9 TN
Laney J 5 TN
Andrew 4 TN
Joseph 2 TN.

1852: BIRTH of TWINS. – MALINDA ANN & NANCY ISABEL GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 15 April 1852

1859: MARRIAGE of SON – LEWIS WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 3 Nov 1859

Lewis William Guthrie married Rhoda Ann ‘Rodie’ Moore. They lived in Greene and Hawkins Counties, TN. Children: Sylvesta (1862), Mary C (1864), William Nelson (1866), Floyd Alexander (1868), George R (1871), Samuel Elwood (1872), Ida (1876), Walter (1877), Nora Mae (1879), John Calvin (1882), and Sela Pearl (1885). Rhoda died in 1910. Lewis followed her in death on 13 Jul 1914.

1860: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
District 6, Greene County, Tennessee, USA

GUTHEY HOUSEHOLD:
Andrew 60 farmer TN
Ibby 50 TN (illiterate)
James 26 farmer TN
Lewis 24 farmer TN
Mary A 22 TN
Emaline 20 TN
John 18 farmer TN
Andrew 16 farmer TN
Joseph 14 TN
Isabel 9 TN
Linda A 9 TN

1862: DEATH of SON – JAMES GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA, presumably, on 7 December 1862

1865: MARRIAGE of SON – JOHN ALEXANDER GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 18 May 1865

John married Elender ‘Ellen’ Moore, They lived in Greene County, TN and had Martha Jane (1866), Mary Isabel (1867), Lewis E (1871), Alexander (1871), Lillie P (1876), William Lawson (1878), Anderson Dauson (1879) and George Porter (1882). Ellen died in 1900, and John remarried in 1907 to Susan Catherine Francerali Walker. They had 2 children: Harley Lattie (1908) and Walter Thomas (1917).

1868: MARRIAGE of SON – ANDREW GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 8 September 1868

Andrew married Sarah ‘Sallie’ Ann Moore. They lived in Greene County, TN and were parents to Andrew Anderson (1869), Emma Ann (1871), James Elbert (1874), Thomas Asbery (1876), Mary Vessebelle (1879), Donna Ellen (1882).

1868: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – LANA JANE GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA on 24 Nov 1868

Laney married Thomas J Lemans. They lived in Greene County, TN and had 2 sons and 5 daughters. Lourindo Ann (1874), Sarah Magnolia (1875), Cilvesta Elizabeth (1878), Emma Analee (1879), Samuel (1882), Martha J (1884), Porter (1886).

1869: DEATH of ANDREW S GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA

Andrew’s DOD is supposed to be 1869, but he is listed in the 1870 census (below), which was taken in September 1869.

He is buried in Drake Cemetery, Bulls Gap, Greene, TN. Tombstone: A.S. Gutherie.

1870: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
District 6, Greene County, Tennessee, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
Mary Guthrie 56 Keeping House 300RE 300PE TN cannot write
Mary 32 TN cannot write
Joseph 28 Farm Labor TN
Emaline 22 Farm Labor TN
Nancy 19 Farm Labor TN
Melvina 19 Farm Labor TN
Andrew 69 Farm Labor TN

1872: MARRIAGE of SON – JOSEPH K GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 29 Sep 1872

Joseph married Martha Ann Moore Ward

1872: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – EMALINE GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 9 October 1872

Emaline Guthrie married Joseph Franklin Bullington

1873: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MALINDA ANN GUTHRIE
Hawkins County, Tennessee, USA on 19 Nov 1873

Malinda married David Bullington

1877: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – NANCY ISABEL GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA on 21 Feb 1877

Nancy Isabel married William Clavin Bullington

1880: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
District 6, Greene County, Tennessee, USA

The Guthrie Household:
Dwelling No.5 Family No.6
John Guthrie W M 37 father married Farmer cannot read/write TNx3
Elender Guthrie W F 38 wife m. Keeping House cannot write TN/TN/VA
Martha Jane Guthrie W F 14 daur single at home cannot read/write TNx3
Mary Isabel Guthrie W F 12 daur single at home cannot read/write TNx3
Lewis E Guthrie W M 9 son single at home cannot read/write TNx3
Lillie P Guthrie W F 4 daughter single at home
William Lauson W M 1 son single at home
Anderson Dauson W M 1 son single at home
Dwelling No.5 Family No.7
Isabella Guthrie W F 65 mother wid Keeping House cannot read/write TNx3
Mary An Guthrie W F 43 daughter single at home cannot read/write TNx3

1884: DEATH of ISABELLA (RADER) GUTHRIE
Greene County, Tennessee, USA in February 1884


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