Robert Guthrie 1776 SCT – 1827 SCT & Janet Andrew
of Dunbartonshire & Lanarkshire, Scotland

CONTENTS:
Origin Theories
The Family of Robert Guthrie & Janet Andrew
Historical Highlights
The Guthrie DNA Project
Reading & Resources

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG16 BRANCH A

Guthrie Family Group 16’s branches stretch into Australia and Canada. These lineages trace their mutual ancestry back to Robert Guthrie & Janet Andrew, who lived in Govan, Lanarkshire and New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland. The identity of Robert’s parents depends on the accuracy of information gathered about his life as there are several potential candidate couples.

Robert’s children were recorded as being born/baptized in either New Kilpatrick or Govan, with the first and later children being born in Govan. There is a death record for Robert Guthrie, a miller, in Partick, Govan, Lanarkshire dated 2 April 1827. His age was listed as 52, which would estimate his DOB as about 1775.

There are 17 Robert Guthrie birth/baptisms recorded in Scotland between 1770 and 1780. There are 3 in Dunbarton and none in Lanark.

Dunbarton:
1) Robert Guthrie & Margaret Currie in Cardross – son Robert 15/31 Mar 1771
2) William Guthrie & Margaret MacKimm in Bonhill – son Robert 8 May 1771
3) William Guthrie & Elizabeth McKenais/McNair in New or East Kilpatrick – son Robert 5 July 1776.

Note that the last one is located in New or East Kilpatrick, which is where several of Robert’s children were also born. William & Elizabeth McKenais/McNair are the most likely of the tree couples based on location. The 1776 DOB is also closest to the estimated date for the Robert Guthrie who died in Govan in 1827.

Genetic confirmation requires Y-DNA testing from at least one direct line male Guthrie descendant of William Guthrie & Elizabeth McKenais/McNair or adequate triangulation of Autosomal DNA testing from multiple descendants.

Regarding Robert’s wife, Janet Andrew, the following potential parents are found in the records of Dunbartonshire and Lanarkshire, Scotland (1770-1785):
1) William Andrew & Jean Read in New or East Kilpatrick on 13 Aug 1774
2) David Andrew & Janet Tarbett in Glasgow on 22 Aug 1778
3) William Andrew & Jean McLae in New or East Kilpatrick on 25 Nov 1781

THE FAMILY of ROBERT GUTHRIE & JANET ANDREW

ROBERT GUTHRIE
Parents: William Guthrie & Elizabeth McKenais/McNair (Theory)
Born: 5 July 1776 (if parents correctly identified)
Location: New or East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Marriage: About 1800
Occupation: Miller (if death record correctly identified)
Death: 2 Apr 1827 (if death record correctly identified)
Location: Partick, Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Buried: Unknown, presumably in Govan, Lanarkshire

JANET ANDREW
Parents: Unknown
Born: Abt. 1776 (Estimate based on husband’s DOB)
Location: Scotland
Sons: Robert (1804), William (1805), Thomas (1807), Thomas (1812), John (1814)
Daughters: Jane (1801), Elizabeth (1802), Mary (1809)
Death: Unknown, Broad Est. 1814-1841
Location: Unknown, presumably in Lanarkshire, Scotland
Buried: Unknown, presumably Lanarkshire, Scotland

CHILDREN: 8

JANE GUTHRIE
1801 SCT – 18??

Jane lawful daughter to Robert Guthrie and Janet Andrew was born/baptized on 10 January 1801 in Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland and recorded in the Old Parish Register.

There are 2 potential marriage records in Lanarkshire between 1815-1830:
1) Janet Guthrie to Peter McIntyre on 23 Jul 1827 in Glasgow. (Note this could be her mother remarrying just months after Robert’s death.)
2) Jane Guthrie to William Park on 22 Mar 1829 in Old Monkland or Coatbridge.

No obvious death records in either Dunbartonshire or Lanarkshire.

Children: Unknown
Family Finder Participants: No

ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
1802SCT – 18??

Old Parish Registers: Robert Guthrie in Drumry & Janet Andrew his wife had a daughter baptized called Elizabeth 11 July 1802 in East (New) Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.

This is the first indication of a specific residence where Robert & Janet made their home. This family lived in Drumry in 1802, which is located in East (or New) Kilpatrick. Drumry is very close to Glasgow, which is most likely why the family seems to have moved between the two locations.

There are 2 potential marriage records in Lanarkshire between 1815-1830:
1) Elizabeth Guthrie to James Kennedy on 23 Jun 1818 in Glasgow
2) Elizabeth Guthrie to William Wishart on 24 Jan 1826 in Glasgow

Dunbarton death records rule out marriage option#1 as the 1874 death of Elizabeth (Guthrie) Kennedy, wife of James Kennedy, spirit merchant) shows that her parents were Peter Guthrie, a glassblower, and Ann Webster.

No obvious death records in either Dunbartonshire or Lanarkshire.

Children: Unknown
Family Finder Participants: No

ROBERT GUTHRIE
1804SCT – 1883SCT

Robert lawful son of Robert Guthrie and Janet Andrew born Drumry 26th February 1804 in East (New) Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.

Robert removed to Renfrewshire where he married Jane/Jean Kilgour on 7 November 1828:
Robert Guthrie in this parish (Lochwinnoch) & Jane Kilgour in the parish of Renfrew gave in their names to be proclaimed which was done.

According to various records he worked as a gardener, field laborer, and farmer.

The family is found in the 1841 census of New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, and thereafter in the census records for Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland. However, it appears that Robert’s wife died between 1841-1851 as she is no longer listed.

The death of Robert Guthrie Guthrie was recorded as follows:
Robert Guthrie, late farm servant, pauper on roll of poor, single, died 2 June 1883 22oPM at Meadowhead, Erskine, aged 79, Parents: Robert Guthrie & Jane Andrew, both dec’d, COD: Melanoma, Informant: Myron Robertson, Inspector of Poor.

Children: John (1829), Jean (1831), Rebecca Janet (1833), Marian (1838)
Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No

WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1805SCT – 1868SCT

William lawful son of Robert Guthrie and Janet Andrew born Drumrye 20th Sep 1805 in East (New) Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.

Like his older brother, William also removed to Renfrewshire where he married Ann Reston on 12 Jun 1834. He worked as a carter.

His death record is found in the Statutory Registers: William Guthrie, carter, married to Ann Reston, died at 530AM on 12 May 1868 at 53 Manse Street, Renfrew, aged 57. Parents: Robert Guthrie, roadman, and Janet Andrew, both dec’d. COD: General decay. Informant: David Guthrie, son.

Note that this record lists William’s father as a roadman rather than the miller of the 1827 death record.

Children: Ann (1835), David Reston (1837), Robert (1839), Janet (1842)
Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No

THOMAS GUTHRIE
1807SCT – Before.1812SCT

Thomas son of Robert Guthrie and Janet Andrew born Drumrye 16th May bap’d 29th May 1807 in East (New) Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.

Thomas presumably died sometime before 1812 as Robert & Janet named their next son by the same name.

Children: N/A
Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A
Family Finder Participants: N/A

MARY GUTHRIE
1809SCT – 18??

Dated 6 September 1809: Mary lawful daughter to Robert Guthrie & Janet Andrew in Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland.

There are 3 marriages recorded in Lanark between 1824-1844:
1) Mary Guthrie to Alexander McKay on 5 Dec 1830 in Glasgow
2) Mary Guthrie to John Ross on 2 Dec 1832 in Barony
3) Mary Guthrie to Joseph Anderson on 18 Nov 1839 in Glasgow

No obvious death records found in the OPR or Statutory Registers.

Children: Unknown
Family Finder Participants: No

THOMAS GUTHRIE
1812SCT – 1861SCT

Thomas, lawful son to Robert Guthrie & Janet Andrew. Dated 24 April 1812. Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland.

Thomas Guthrie was the second son of the family by that name. Another brother was born in 1807 and presumably died young.

Census records show that Thomas Guthrie, like his older brothers, also lived in Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland, so it is possible that the entire family was living there at some point. He married Agnes Munn, daughter of Stewart Munn and Jane Donald, who was born 20 Apr 1817 in Erskine.

Thomas Guthrie & Agnes Munn, both of this parish, have given in their names to be proclaimed for the purpose of marriage & were married 6 February 1835.

They raised their family in Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland where Thomas worked initially as an agricultural laborer and later as a grocer.

Death Record: Thomas Guthrie, grocer, married to Agnes Munn, died 10 Sep 1861 at 8AM at Shelton Cottage, Erskine, aged 48. Parents: Robert Guthrie, agricultural laborer, dec’d, mother not identified. COD: Dyspepsia. Informant: Stewart Guthrie, son.

Agnes (Munn) Guthrie outlived her husband.

Death Record: Agnes Guthrie (widow of Thomas Guthrie, grocer) died 31 July 1869 at 730AM at Bishopson, Erskine, aged 52. Parents: Stewart Munn, joiner, and Jane Donald, both decd, COD: Apoplexy. Informant: Stewart Guthrie, son.

Children: Robert (1835), Stewart (1837), Jean (1839), Thomas Robert (1842), Janet (1843), James (1854)

Robert & Agnes’ son, Thomas Robert Guthrie, married Christina Rae, and moved to Carleton, Ontario, Canada. This line is represented in the Guthrie DNA Project.

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: No

JOHN GUTHRIE
1814SCT – 1882SCT

September 26 1814: John, lawful son to Robert Guthrie & Janet Andrew in Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland.

John Guthrie was 22 at his marriage to Janet Munn, the daughter of Stewart Munn and Jane Donald. Janet’s sister Agnes Munn was the wife of his brother Thomas.

John Guthrie & Janet Munn both of this parish have given in their names to be proclaimed for the purpose of marriage and were married 14 April 1837.

Census records show that John and Janet resided first in Erskine through 1861 and then removed to Dunbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland where they lived at the Bishopton Gardens where John worked as a master gardener.

Death Record: John Guthrie, master gardener, married to Janet Munn, died 12AM at 24 Church Street, Dumbarton, aged 63. Parents: Robert Guthrie, farm laborer & Janet Thompson, both decd. COD: Dyspepsia 7days. Informant: John Guthrie, son.

Note that this is the first indication that Robert’s widow, Janet (Andrew) Guthrie might have remarried after his death. It could also be a simple error on the part of the informant, or an original transcription error on the source document.

Janet (Munn) Guthrie lived for 7 years after the death of her husband John.

Death Record: Janet Guthrie, widow of John Guthrie, nurseryman (master), died 2 June 1889 at 205AM at 9 Burnside Place, Dumbarton, aged 67. Parents: Stewart Munn, joiner (master), and Jane Donald, both decd. COD: Diarrhea 12 days. Informant: Robert Guthrie, son.

Children: Robert (1838), William (1840), Stewart (1842), Jane (1845), Janet (1848), John (1851).

This line is represented in the Guthrie DNA Project by an Australian descendant of son Stewart Guthrie, although the family did not leave Dunbartonshire until the 1930s.

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1776: BIRTH of ROBERT GUTHRIE
New or East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on or about 5 July 1776

As stated in the Origin Theories section above, it is believed that Robert Guthrie is the son of William Guthrie and Elizabeth McKenais/McNair who was born about 5 July 1776, which is his date of baptism.

Abt. 1800: MARRIAGE of ROBERT GUTHRIE & JANET ANDREWS

No marriage record has been found for this couple. It is presumed that they were legally married. The most likely locations for the event would have been in Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland where their first known child was born, or Drumry in Dunbartonshire.

1801: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – JANE GUTHRIE
Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland on or about 10 January 1801

1802: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
New or East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on or about 11 July 1802

1804: BIRTH of SON – ROBERT GUTHRIE
New or East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on or about 26 February 1804

1805: BIRTH of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE
New or East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on or about 20 September 1805

1807: BIRTH of SON – THOMAS GUTHRIE
New or East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on or about 16 May 1807

Son Thomas Guthrie died sometime between the day of his birth and the birth of his namesake brother Thomas Guthrie in 1812.

1807-1809: FAMILY MOVES to GOVAN, GLASGOW, LANARKSHIRE
Govan is a district, parish and former burgh in what is currently part of the south-west city of Glasgow.

1809: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARY GUTHRIE
Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland on or about 6 September 1809

1812: BIRTH of SON – THOMAS GUTHRIE
Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland on or about 24 April 1812

1814: BIRTH of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE
Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland on or about 26 September 1814

1827: DEATH of ROBERT GUTHRIE
Partick, Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland on 2 April 1827

Possible record match. The approximate age corresponds with the DOB of Robert Guthrie, son of William Guthrie & Elizabeth McKenais. However, the occupation of miller is not corroborated in the records of his children where he is listed as a roadman or agricultural laborer.
Robert Guthrie, 52, miller. COD: Consumption.

Abt. 1828: FAMILY MOVES to RENFREWSHIRE, SCOTLAND

It is possible that the 1827 death record belongs to a different Robert Guthrie and that this Robert Guthrie died in Renfrewshire where Guthrie death records appear to be few and far between. (Was there record loss?) In any case, the sons of the family all appear to have moved to Renfrew.

1828: MARRIAGE of SON – ROBERT GUTHRIE to JEAN KILGOUR
Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 7 November 1828

Robert Guthrie was employed as a gardener when he married Jean Kilgour. They had 4 children: John (1829), Jean (1831), Rebecca Janet (1833), and Marian (1838). They are listed as a family living back in New Kilpatrick in the 1841 census. Tragedy or separation may have struck this family. After the 1851 census Robert Guthrie appears to be a loner.

1834: MARRIAGE of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE to ANN RESTON
Renfrew, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 12 June 1834

William Guthrie and Ann Reston were parents to 4 known children: Ann (1835), David Reston (1837), Robert (1839), and Janet (1842). William Worked as a Carter

1835: MARRIAGE of SON – THOMAS GUTHRIE to AGNES MUNN
Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 6 February 1835

This is the first of two Guthrie-Munn marriages in the family. Thomas worked as an agricultural laborer and later became a grocer. He and Agnes were parents to Robert (1835), Stewart (1837), Jean (1839), Thomas Robert (1842), Janet (1843), and James (1854). They continued to reside in Erskine, Renfrewshire until their deaths, Thomas in 1861 and Agnes in 1869.

1837: MARRIAGE of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE to JANET MUNN
Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 14 April 1837

John Guthrie’s wife Janet was another daughter of Stewart & Janet (Donald) Munn. Their daughter Agnes married John’s brother two years earlier. This family resided for several decades in Erskine before moving to Dunbartonshire. They had 4 boys and 2 girls: Robert (1838), William (1840), Stewart (1842), Jane (1845), Janet (1848), and John (1851). John became a master gardener. He died in 1882 and Janet in 1889.

1841: CENSUS of SCOTLAND

New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Household of Robert Guthrie [Son of Robert & Janet (Andrew) Guthrie]
Robert Guthrie 35 born Scotland, address Garscube, occupation: gardener
Jean Guthrie 40 born England
John Guthrie 12, born Scotland
Jean Guthrie 10, born Scotland
Rebecca Janet Guthrie 8, born Scotland
Marrian Guthrie 3, born Dunbartonshire, Scotland

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Household of Thomas Guthrie [Son of Robert & Janet (Andrew) Guthrie]
Thomas Guthrie 28, head, address: Ritchison, agricultural laborer
Jennet Guthrie, 24
Robert Guthrie 6
Stewart Guthrie 4
Agnes Munn 24

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Household of John Guthrie [Son of Robert & Janet (Andrew) Guthrie]
John Guthrie 25, head, born Renfrewshire, Scotland, address: Nethaton, agricultural laborer
Janet Guthrie 20, born Renfrewshire, Scotland
Robt. Guthrie 3
William Guthrie 9 mos.
Donald Wier 18, born Scotland, shepherd

Renfrew, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Household of William Guthrie [Son of Robert Guthrie & Janet (Andrew) Guthrie]
William Guthrie 35, born Scotland, Address: Cowlene, agricultural laborer
Anne Guthrie 35, born Scotland
Anne Guthrie 5, born Renfrewshire, Scotland
David Guthrie 4, born Renfrewshire, Scotland

1851: CENSUS of SCOTLAND

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Allison Household at Kirkton
Jane Allison 56, head, born Houston, Renfrew, address: Kirkton, farm servant
Walter Allison 30, nephew, born Houston, Renfrew, address: Kirkton, farm servant
Robert Guthrie 47, born abt 1804, Lodger, born New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, address: Kirkton, farm servant

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Thomas Guthrie Household at Kirkton
Thomas Guthrie, 39, head, born Govan, Lanark, agricultural laborer
Agnes Guthrie, 34, wife, born Erskine, Renfrew
Stewart Guthrie, 14, son, born Erskine, Renfrew, agricultural laborer
Jane Guthrie, 11, daughter, born Erskine, Renfrew, scholar
Thomas Guthrie, 9, son, born Erskine, Renfrew, scholar
Janet Guthrie, 5, born Erskine, Renfrew

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The John Guthrie Household at Bishopton Gardens
John Guthrie, 38, head, born Govan, Lanarkshire, gardener
Janet Guthrie, 21, wife, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
Robert Guthrie, 13, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, scholar
William Guthrie, 10, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, scholar
Stewart Guthrie, 7, son, born Inverkip, Renfrewshire, scholar
Jane Guthrie, 5, daughter, born Inverkip, Renfrewshire, scholar
Janet Guthrie, 3, daughter, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
John Guthrie 4 mos., son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire

Paisley Middle, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The William Guthrie Household at Manse Street
William Guthrie 41, head, born Partick, Lanarkshire, Farm Laborer
Ann Guthrie 40, wife, born Renfrew, Renfrewshire
Janet Guthrie 8, daughter, born Renfrew, Renfrewshire, scholar
David Guthrie 6, son, born Renfrew, Renfrewshire

1861: CENSUS of SCOTLAND

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Allison Household at Mossend
Walter Allison 36, head, born Houston, Renfrew, address: Mossend, ploughman
Alexander Allison 56, uncle, born Houston, Renfrew, address: Mossend, agricultural laborer
Jane Allison 64, aunt, born Houston, Renfrew, address: Mossend, laundress
Robert Guthrie 56, lodger, born New Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire, address: Mossend, agricultural laborer

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Thomas Guthrie Household at Shilton Cottage
Thomas Guthrie, 46, head, born Govan, Lanarkshire, retired grocer
Agnes Guthrie, 43, wife, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
Stewart Guthrie, 24, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, grocer
Thomas Guthrie, 19, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, house joiner
Janet Guthrie, 15, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
James Guthrie, 7, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, scholar

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The John Guthrie Household at Bishopton House
John Guthrie 45, head, born Govan, Lanarkshire, retired gardener
Janet Guthrie 41, wife, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
William Guthrie 20, son, born Renfrewshire, gardener
Stewart Guthrie 18, son, born Inverkip, Renfrewshire, agricultural laborer
John Guthrie, 10, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, scholar

Renfrew, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The William Guthrie Household at 53 Mause Street
William Guthrie, 50, head, born Scotston, Renfrewshire, caster
Ann Guthrie, 56, wife, born Musselburgh, Edinburgh, caster wife
Janet Guthrie 18, daughter, born Renfrew, Renfrewshire, caster daughter
David Guthrie 16, son, born Renfrew, Renfrewshire, caster
Note: This record lists William as a ‘caster’ rather than a ‘carter’

1861: DEATH of SON – THOMAS GUTHRIE (b.1812)
Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 10 September 1861

THOMAS GUTHRIE, grocer, married to AGNES MUNN, died 8AM Shelton Cottage, Erskine, aged 48, Parents: Robert Guthrie, agricultural laborer, decd, mother not identified, COD: Dyspepsia, Informant: Stewart Guthrie, son.

1868: DEATH of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE (b.1805)
Renfrew, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 12 May 1868

WILLIAM GUTHRIE, carter, married to ANN RESTON, died 530AM at 53 Manse Steet, Renfrew, aged 57, Parents: Robert Guthrie, Roadman, & Janet Andrew, both decd, COD: General Decay, Informant: David Guthrie, son.

1869: DEATH of DAUGHTER-IN-LAW – AGNESS (MUNN) GUTHRIE
Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 31 July 1869

AGNES GUTHRIE (widow of THOMAS GUTHRIE, grocer), died 31 July 1869 at 730AM at Bishopston, Erskine, Female, Aged 52 years, Parents: Stewart Munn, joiner (decd) and Jane Munn m.s. Donald (decd), COD: apoplexy, 1day. Informant: Stewart Guthrie, son of the deceased, present.

1871: CENSUS of SCOTLAND

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Stevenson Household at Erskine
Agnes Stevenson 35, born Archinson, Renfrewshire, household duties
Elizabeth Stevenson 15, daughter, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, field worker
Mary Stevenson, 12 mos., boarder, born Glasgow, Lanarkshire, scholar
Robert Guthrie, 63, lodger, born Dunry, Dunbartonshire, field laborer

Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire, Scotland (aka Dunbarton, Dunbartonshire)
The John Guthrie Household at High Street
John Guthrie 66, head, born Govan, Lanarkshire, compositor
Janet Guthrie, wife, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
Robert Guthrie, 32, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, joiner in shipyard
Robert Armstrong 25, grandson, born Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire, engine fitter
Janet Armstrong, 22, wife & daughter, born Erskine, Dumbartonshire
Janet Armstrong, 4 mos., granddaughter
Note: Robert should be listed as a son-in-law

1881: CENSUS of SCOTLAND

Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Allison Household at South Rossland
Samuel Allison 46, head, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, general laborer
Ann Allison 51, wife, born Killchoman, Argyleshire
Mary Allison 12, daughter, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
Elizabeth Allison 9, daughter, born Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, scholar
Robert Guthrie 77, lodger, born New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, general laborer

Renfrew, Renfrewshire, Scotland
The Ann (Reston) Guthrie Household at 5 Manse Street
Annie Guthrie 76, head, born Renfrew, Renfrewshire, carter’s widow

Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire, Scotland (aka Dunbarton, Dunbartonshire)
The John Guthrie Household at 28 Church Street
John Guthrie 66 head, born Govan, Lanarkshire, gardener
Janet Guthrie 61, wife, born Erskine, Renfrewshire
Robert Guthrie 42, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, ship joiner
Stewart Guthrie 37, son, born Erskine, Renfrewshire, gamekeeper

1882: DEATH of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE (b.1814)
Dunbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on 13 March 1882

JOHN GUTHRIE, master gardener, married to JANET MUNN, died 12AM at 24 Church Street, Dumbarton, aged 63, Parents: ROBERT GUTHRIE, farm laborer, & JANET THOMSON, both decd, COD: Dyspepsia 7d; Informant: John Guthrie, son.

Note that the maiden name of John’s mother is probably an error. It should be Andrews unless she remarried after Robert’s death.

1883: DEATH of SON – ROBERT GUTHRIE (b.1804)
Erskine, Renfrewshire, Scotland on 2 June 1883

ROBERT GUTHRIE, late farm servant, pauper on roll of poor, single, died 220PM at Meadowhead, Erskine, aged 79, Parents: Robert Guthrie & Janet Andrew, both decd, COD: Melanoma; Informant: Myron Robertson, Inspector of Poor.

1886: DEATH of DAUGHTER-IN-LAW – ANN (RESTON) GUTHRIE
Renfrew, Renfrewshire, Scotland

ANN GUTHRIE, widow of WILLIAM GUTHRIE, laborer, tired at 545AM at 5 Manse Street, Renfrew, 78 yrs, Parents: DAVID RESTON, weaver, & ANN BARR, both decd, COD: Congestion of liver., Informant: DAVID GUTHRIE, son.

1889: DEATH of DAUGHTER-IN-LAW – JANET (MUNN) GUTHRIE
Dunbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland on 2 June 1889

JANET GUTHRIE, widow of JOHN GUTHRIE, nurseryman (master), died 2 June 1889 at 205AM at 9 Burnside Place, Dumbarton, female, aged 67 years, Parents: Stewart Munn, joiner (master) (decd), and Jane Munn m.s. Donald (decd), COD: Diarrhea 12 days, Informant: Robert Guthrie, son (present).

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG16
Group Designation: Branch A

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-M269

Y-DNA Matches: 2
Kit 494364 – (Y-DNA)
Robert Guthrie 1776SCT-1827SCT & Janet Andrew > Thomas Guthrie (grocer) 1812SCT-1861SCT & Agnes Munn > Thomas Robert Guthrie 1842SCT-1936CAN & Christina Rae (GGP)

Kit IN904498 – (Y-DNA + FF)
Robert Guthrie 1776SCT-1827SCT & Janet Andrew > John Guthrie (gardener) 1814SCT-1882SCT & Janet Munn > Stewart Guthrie (gamekeeper/night watchman) 1842SCT-1893SCT & Janet McFadyen > James McFadyen Guthrie (iron ship plater) 1870SCT-1947SCT & Agnes McLean (GGP) > Next Generation to Australia.

FAMILY FINDER / AUTOSOMAL DNA: 1
Kit B420742
Robert Guthrie 1776SCT-1827SCT & Janet Andrew > John Guthrie (gardener) 1814SCT-1882SCT & Janet Munn > John Guthrie/Janet McPhail (GGP) > This family line remained in Scotland.

Guthrie Family Group 16 does not match the Direct Paternal Line (Y-DNA) profile of any of the other established groups.

This could be due to simple lack of participation from other Guthrie relations in the area of Drumry, East (New) Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, near Glasgow, or in Renfrewshire where the family also resided.

Since our only two participants matching this genetic profile descend from the same ancestor, namely Robert Guthrie 1776SCT-1827SCT, it is possible that the entire line is the result of an event such as adoption, false paternity, or feudal law, that caused a genetic mismatch between these men and one of the established groups.

More information is required to determine which situation is correct.

READING & RESOURCES

The Book of Dumbartonshire: Volume II Parishes, by John Irving, 1879 Edinburg and London.