B: John Guthrie & Elizabeth Baskett

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG1A – BRANCH B

John Guthrie 16__SCT – 1706VA & Elizabeth Baskett
of Scotland and Middlesex County, Virginia

Before the use of genetic testing for genealogy came into being most people of Guthrie ancestry assumed we were all related to a single line of Guthrie men who were somehow connected to Guthrie Castle and to the Guthries of Guthrie. There are a large number of genetically unique groups, and for the moment, only one of them can lay claim to an inferred relationship with that family. Guthrie Family Group 1A (GFG1A) shared a genetic profile with a direct descendant of the Guthries of Craigie (See GFG1A – Branch A). The historical Guthrie family tree extends the Craigie line further back to a common ancestor with the Guthries of Guthrie. The lineage appears sound if YDNA testing can conclusively prove the generational ties.

The Guthrie family of Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia share a common paternal ancestor with the line of our VIP volunteer who descends from the Guthries of Craigie. Somehow, the Middlesex line fits into the Historical Guthrie line. How many generations are missing between John Guthrie of Middlesex, VA and the ancestor that connects their branch to the main part of the GFG1A tree? An examination of YDNA tests may provide some clues.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG1A
Group Designation: Branch B – (The Guthries of Middlesex, VA)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-Y62042

Y-DNA Matches:

Kit 18300
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > Nathaniel Guthrie 1769NC-1839AL > John B Guthrie 1801VA-1870AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit 27163
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > Henry Guthery 1771VA-1840AL > David Guthery 1811SC-1893AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit 31053
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > Charles Guthrie c1760-c1840KY > James Allen Guthrie 1797VA-1869MO (2xGGF) +more

Kit 130412
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > Benjamin Guthrie 1759VA-1853VA > Henry William Guthrie 1815VA-1859VA (2xGGF) +more

Kit 137621 (+FF)
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > William Guthrie 1764-1840GA > William Jackson Guthrie 1807SC-1871AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit 155035
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > David Guthrie 1764VA-1842SC > Benjamin Guthrie 1796VA-1873SC (2xGGF) +more

Kit 163223 (+FF)
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > William Guthrie 1764-1840GA > James Martin Guthrie 1802SC-1854TX > John Wesley Guthrie 1835GA-1906TX (2xGGF) +more

Kit 387223
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > James Guthrie 1758VA-1848VA > William H Guthrie 1779VA-1840OH > James Timothy Guthrie 1810VA-1868MI (2xGGF?) +more

Kit 403092
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > John Guthrie 1761VA-1829IL > Charles Grandson Guthrie 1802VA-1883IL > Daniel Dewitt Guthrie 1836IL-1914IL (2xGGF) +more

Kit 405750
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > William Guthrie 1764-1840GA > James Martin Guthrie 1802SC-1854TX > Roswell C Guthrie 1848TX-UNK (2xGGF) +more

Kit 494852
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > Absalom Guthrie 1776NC-1836SC (2xGGF) +more

Kit 596363
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > James Guthrie 1756VA-1837SC > Benjamin Franklin Guthrie c1791SC-18__AL > Eli Harville ‘Pete’ Guthrie c1844AL-c1879 (2xGGF) +more

Kit 894217
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > John Guthrie 1761VA-1829IL > John A Guthrie c1794VA-1857TX > Absalom Guthrie 1833TN-1921MO (2xGGF) +more

Kit B126842 (+FF)
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > James Guthrie 1756VA-1837SC > Benjamin Franklin Guthrie c1791SC-18__AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit B174706 (+FF)
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > George Daniel Guthrie 1821TN-1900AL (2xGGF) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:

Kit 78185
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > Nathaniel Guthrie 1769NC-1839AL > Eliza Guthrie c1813TN-p1870AL (2xGGM)

Kit 144700
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > John Guthrie 1761VA-1829IL > Charles Grandison Guthrie 1802VA-1882IL > Ira Briscoe Guthrie 1835-1902 (2xGGF)

Kit 230584
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Garritt Guthrie 1723VA-c1805NC > James Guthrie 1756VA-1837SC > Benjamin Franklin Guthrie c1791SC-18__AL > James Edward Guthrie 1820SC-1898AL

Kit 248434
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > John Guthrie 1761VA-1829IL > Charles Grandison Guthrie 1802VA-1882IL > Ira Briscoe Guthrie 1835-1902 (2xGGF)

Kit 251419
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726-1786 > Henry Guthrie 1771VA-1840AL > David Guthery 1811SC-1893AL > William Guthery 1843AL-1912AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit 286467
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726-1786 > Henry Guthrie 1771VA-1840AL > David Guthery 1811SC-1893AL > William Guthery 1843AL-1912AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit 307627
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726-1786 > Henry Guthrie 1771VA-1840AL > David Guthery 1811SC-1893AL > William Guthery 1843AL-1912AL (2xGGF)

Kit 460952
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > Ruth Guthry 1781VA-1868OH (3xGGM)

Kit 589878
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > John Guthrie 1761VA-1829IL > Charles Grandison Guthrie 1802VA-1882IL > Daniel Dewitt Guthrie 1836IL-1914IL > Neal Otis Guthrie 1872IL-1946IL

Kit 759856
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > George Daniel Guthrie 1821TN-1900AL > James W Guthrie 1844AL-1929AL (2xGGF)

Kit B5700
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726-1786 > Henry Guthrie 1771VA-1840AL > David Guthery 1811SC-1893AL (2xGGF) +more

Kit B39762
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1762VA-1786VA > David Guthrie 1764VA-1842SC > Benjamin Guthrie 1796VA-1878SC > Louisa Catherine Guthrie 1846SC-1941SC (2xGGM)

Kit B104669
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > James Guthrie 1758VA-1848OH > William H Guthrie 1779VA-1840OH > James Timothy Guthrie 1810VA-1868MI > James Alfred Guthrie 1850OH-1919MI (2xGGF) +more

Kit B111466 (Guthrie with FF only)
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > David Guthrie 1764VA-1842SC > Benjamin Guthrie 1796VA-1873SC > James Nelson guthrie 1852SC-1935SC (2xGGF) +more

Kit B118167
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726VA-1786VA > David Guthrie 1764VA-1842SC > Benjamin Guthrie 1796VA-1873SC > Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie 1845SC-1926SC (2xGGM)

Kit B357045
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > George Daniel Guthrie 1821TN-1900AL > Elizabeth Guthrie c1850AL-Unk (2xGGM)

Kit B479741
John Guthrie b16__SCT d1706VA > John Guthrie 1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1726-1786 > Henry Guthrie 1771VA-1840AL > David Guthery 1811SC-1893AL > William Guthery 1843AL-1912AL > Lorenza Jackson Guthery 1875AL-1950 (2xGGF)

Kit B554514
John Guthrie 16__SCT-1703VA > John Guthrie c1689VA-1733VA > Henry Guthrie 1728VA-1786VA > Benjamin Guthrie 1759VA-1853VA > Henry William Guthrie 1815VA-1859VA > Samuel Henry Guthrie 1857VA-1935OH (2xGGF) +more


Findings:

The most important finding for the descendants of the Middlesex VA branch is the Y-DNA match to our VIP volunteer, a descendant of the Guthries of Craigie, which indicates that they share a common paternal ancestor somewhere on that historical Guthrie tree.

Since the exact birth date of John Guthrie of Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia is unknown, let’s use an estimate of his DOB. His eldest child with Elizabeth Baskett was born in 1687. If he was 20-50 at that time, his DOB would be 1637-1667. For the purposes of exploring the tree, consider a date of c1650.

The closest common ancestor would be a mutual father, then grandfather, then great-grandfather, etc.

The earliest genetically proven ancestor of our GFG1A-Branch A family is James Guthrie 1669-1711SCT who m. Christian Scot. Since James is of the same approximate generation as John of Middlesex, he cannot be the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA).

The next potential generation to find the MRCA is that of Rev John Guthrie, Minister of Arbirlot, and his wife Isobel Lamb. They have a son named John Guthrie born in 1664 who died 1741 in Angus. He was a merchant and was known in documents as John Guthrie of Westhall. Since this generation is already occupied by a John Guthrie of about the same age it is unlikely that Rev John Guthrie, Minister of Arbirlot is the MRCA.

The next potential MRCA would be Rev James Guthrie, 1590-1662, Minister in Kinnell and then Arbirlot who m. Isobel Durie. The children of this couple would potentially include the father of John Guthrie of Middlesex. There are 2 other known sons. One was a Guthrie who was Laird of Aldbar. The other was a James Guthrie who m. Margaret Connarsyde.

The further back you go on the Historical Guthrie Tree looking for potential MRCA, you have to add an additional missing generation between John Guthrie of VA and that ancestor.

An examination of results suggests that their Most Recent Common Ancestor would be 50% likely to be found within 10 generations and 95% likely within 20 generations. John’s generation is already 8-9 generations back for most of these participants, so that narrows the gap of additional generations to consider.


THE FAMILY of JOHN GUTHRIE & ELIZABETH BASKETT

JOHN GUTHRIE
Parents: Unknown
Born: Unknown, Estimated Range 1636-1666
Location: Scotland
Possible 1st Marriage/Relationship: Rebecca (MNU) about 1683
Marriage: Elizabeth Baskett 6 Feb 1686 in Christ Church, Middlesex, VA
Occupation: Captain?, Planter; Surveyor of Upper Precincts (1704)
Death: 1706
Location: Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia
Buried: Unknown, Presumably in CCP, Middlesex, VA


REBECCA (MNU)
Parents: Unknown
Born: Unknown
Location: Unknown
Sons: Henry Guthrie / Guthridge
Daughters: None
Death: Presumably before 1686
Location: Presumably in CCP, Middlesex, VA
Burial: Presumably in CCP, Middlesex, VA


ELIZABETH BASKETT
Parents: Unknown
Born: Unknown
Location: Possibly Virginia
Sons: John, Richard, Massey
Daughters: Ann, Mary
Post-Marital Children – 2 daughters – Mary (1715), Anne (1724)
Death: Unknown, presumably after 1724 (Not listed CCPR)
Location: Unknown, presumably after 1724 in CCP, Middlesex, VA
Buried: Unknown, presumably in CCP, Middlesex, VA


CHILDREN:

HENRY GUTHRIE / GUTHRIDGE
1683VA-16__VA

Henry Guthridge ye sone of John & Rebecca Guthridge baptized 5 of August 1683. (Christ Church Parish Register – Christenings)

The timing is right for Rebecca to be a 1st marriage for John Guthrie and for Henry to be his son. According to the CCPR John Guthrie is noted to be the only one of that name in the immediate area at the time.

There are no further entries for Rebecca or Henry in the CCPR. Henry is presumed to have died young.


ANN GUTHRIE / GUTTREY
1687VA-Unknown

Ann was born in 1687 in either September or October.

Ann Guttrey ye daughter of Jno & Elizth Guttrey was baptz 16th of Octob. 1687. (CCPR – Christenings)

There is no additional data on marriage or death date for Ann in the CCPR. At the time of her father’s death in 1706, Ann would have been about 19 years old if she survived to adulthood.


JOHN GUTHRIE / GUTHREY
1689VA-1733VA

John Guthrie was born in 1689 in Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia. The CCPR lists “John ye Sone of John & Eliza Guthrey Baptz 28th July 1689.” It was typical practice of the church in this parish to baptize at 1 month of age, so John was most likely born in late June 1689.

When his father died in 1706, John Guthrie was appointed a guardian by the name of William Finney. No other sons or daughters were appointed guardians even though there were children younger than himself in the family. This might indicate that those other children had predeceased their father, or that a formal guardianship was required only for the eldest surviving son. There is no other sign of the other children in later records.

John married three times during his lifetime. His first wife, Sarah Stiff died soon after their 1708 marriage. No children. He remarried to Jane Mitcham in 1710 by whom he had 2 sons: John & William and 2 daughters: Jane & Nanny. His wife Jane died 2 months after William’s birth. John married yet again 12 years later to Mary Shay. They had 4 sons: Garritt, Henry, William, and James. The eldest two sons, Garritt and Henry, have lineages that have been pieced together by descendants with genetic evidence of their group origins. William and James were twins. The latter may have died young, for only William, orphan of John Guthery, was bound out as an apprentice when he became old enough for training as a shoemaker and weaver. Nothing further is known of son William.

John Guthrie died 24 Oct 1733 in Christ Church Parish, Middlesex, VA. His widow Mary survived another decade. She passed away on 2 Jan 1743.

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


RICHARD GUTHRIE
1691VA-UNKNOWN

The only documentation for Richard Guthrie is his baptism, which occurred in Christ Church Paris on 3 April 1691. Richard is presumed to have died young.


MASEY GUTHRIE / GUTHERY
1692VA-UNKNOWN

Masey is another son whose only documented appearance is his baptism on 4 Sep 1692 in Christ Church Parish. Presumed to have died young.


MARY GUTHRIE
1715VA-Unknown

“Mary–an illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Guttery.”

I find no other adult named Elizabeth Guthrie/Guttery in the county records at the time. If this record refers to Elizabeth (Baskett) Guthrie, her daughter Mary would have been born about 9 years after the death of her husband, John Guthrie. She would have been around 46 years old at the time. No other notations on Mary’s fate.


ANNE GUTHRIE
1724VA-UNKNOWN

“Anne illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Guttery born ______ baptized Decemr ye 6 1724.” Although the parish records leaves the birth date blank it appears along with other children born in 1724 and is listed in the records after her sister Mary, born 1715. Elizabeth would have been about 55 at the time of Anne’s birth. No further data on Anne.

1636-1666: BIRTH of JOHN GUTHRIE (The Immigrant)
Scotland

There is no proven DOB for John Guthrie of Middlesex County, Virginia. We can estimate a wide birth range for him based on the known DOM with Elizabeth Baskett in 1686. If he was aged 20-50 at the time of his marriage, he would have been born between 1636-1666. The Old Parish Records of Scotland list 25 infants with recorded birth/baptismal records for that date range. It cannot be certain that his birth occurred in Angus (Forfarshire) because we have no other data to prove that, but filtering the list of 25 gets a more manageable list of 8 for closer research.

1656-1666: BIRTH of ELIZABETH BASKETT
Virginia (presumably)

Who was Elizabeth Basket? She does not appear to be the daughter of John & Elizabeth Baskett of CCP who was baptized on 14 March 1679. If that is approximately her DOB, she would be too young to be a parent to John’s children in 1686. (Note that online trees list her DOB as 14 Mar 1669 even though the CCPR indicates the year was 1679.)

She also does not appear to be the widow of John Baskett, who lived until 1720. If Elizabeth was 20-30 at the time of her marriage to John Guthrie, her estimate birth range would be 1656-1666. An Elizabeth Guthrie was buried at the Old Casper River cemetery in 1731 at 70 years of age (Born 1661) that would fit the profile. (Lem’s Notes)

1658: JOHN GUTHRIE of YORK COUNTY, VIRGINIA
York County, Virginia

According to the Christ Church Parish Register (CCPR), John Guthrie was a Scottish immigrant to America. We don’t know his exact age or the year of his immigration. Nor do we know if Middlesex County, VA was the place he arrived, or if he settled there from elsewhere in Virginia. The records are sketchy due to a number of burned courthouses in the area.

One possible match is John Guthrie who was imported into the colony along with 40 other individuals by Col. Thomas Ludlow. The colonel’s widow was granted 2050 acres of land for bringing so many people to Virginia. No dates or circumstances of importation were specified. Ludlow’s estate probated in York County in 1660.

In 1658, John Guthrie of York County made a deposition, which stated that he was aged 22 or thereabouts at the time, making his estimated DOB 1636. That is at the early end of the date range for John Guthrie of Middlesex, so it is possible that this is the same man. John Guthrie of York served on a jury twice in 1658. A more detailed search of York County, VA records should be conducted to determine if that John Guthrie’s fate is known.

York County was an original shire or county created in 1634, its county seat being Yorktown. Most of the courthouse loose records prior to the American Revolutionary War are missing, but bound volumes of deeds, orders and wills still exist. Check out the county formation maps.

1664: CAPTAIN GUTHRIE of VIRGINIA
Old Rappahannock County, Virginia

A Capt. Guttree (not specifically a John Guthrie) shows up in the records of Old Rappahannock County, Virginia dated 18 Jan 1664. There are a number of Guthrie men in the area at this time, so there is no guarantee of a match based solely on this record. However, a 1676 Middlesex County, Virginia record ties the two together.

Deed Book 1656-1664 Part II. p. 329 Capt. Guttrees Account given: (includes) basketts, 3 otter skins, 3 foxes, 46 muskrat skins, 6 voltons.

1666: CHRIST CHURCH PARISH FORMATION

1669: COURT ENTRY – CAPTAIN GUTHRIE ARRESTED
Lancaster County, Virginia

Capt. Guttrey being arrested to this court at ye suite of Mr. Sam Partridge for two men servants and not appearing to ans. sde suite

1669: COURT ENTRY – INDEBTED
Virginia, USA

It appearing to this Cort. by sufficient Oath that John guttrey stands indebted unto Benoni Biship for 48 gall of tarr at 10 lb. p. gall It is ordered that ye same bee forthwith paide with costs.

Note: This entry specifically names a John Guttrey even if it does not specify that John Guttrey is the captain found in the 1664 and 1669 records.

1669: FORMATION of MIDDLESEX COUNTY, VIRGINIA
Lancaster County, Virginia between 1669-1673

This fact is potentially important because it established approximately when Middlesex County was formed, which means that the Lancaster County entries for Captain / John Guttrey could indeed apply to the progenitor of GFG1A Branch B John Guthrie of Middlesex.

1674: PROPERTY PURCHASE
Middlesex County, Virginia on 7 Sep 1674

Thomas Loe, planter, to John Gutteridge & Nicholas Paine, planters. 500-600 acres patented by Loe dated 9 Apr 1674.

1676: COURT ORDERS – LAWSUIT
Middlesex County, Virginia on 10 Apr 1676

William Edward, servt to David Allison x6 yrs, former Cabin Boy of Capt Guttery x7years who brought him to this country, sues for his freedom & granted.

This court entry finally ties together John Guthrie of Middlesex with the title of Captain found in the Lancaster County records.

BEFORE 1683: POSSIBLE FIRST MARRIAGE to REBECCA (MNU)

There is no known marriage document for John Guthrie of Middlesex County, VA to Rebecca (MNU). There is instead a birth/baptismal record for Henry Guthrie, son of John and Rebecca. There is no other John Guthrie in the Christ Church Parish Register to be a parent to Henry, and the timing does not conflict with any other marriage or child’s birth.

1683-1690: CHRIST CHURCH PARISH MINISTER – REV DUELL PEAD

Prior to 1683 the parish may not have had a consistent minister. The reverend Duell Pead was brought to Christ Church parish in 1683 and remained there for 7 years before returning to England. Periods where the parish lacked a minister may show gaps in the records for marriages, births, and deaths.

1683: BIRTH of (PROBABLE) SON – HENRY GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 5 Aug 1683

CCP Register: Henry Guthridge ye sone of John and Rebe. Guthridge baptiz. 5 of August.

If Henry was indeed John Guthrie’s son it is presumed that he died during infancy or childhood. The death is not recorded in the CCPR. There is also no marriage record in the CCPR, or other notations in parish documents.

1685: NEIGHBOR
Middlesex County, Virginia on 4 May 1685

Deed bet Henery Davis and James Ingrham for 100a in Middlesex lists John Gufferidge and Nicholas Paine as Neighbors.

BEFORE 1686: PRESUMED DEATH of REBECCA (MNU) GUTHRIE

If Rebecca was the wife of John Guthrie, she must have died before 1686, the year when John married Elizabeth Baskett.

1686: MARRIAGE to ELIZABETH BASKETT
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Feb 1686

John Guthry & Elizth Basket both of this parish was marryed 6th ffeb. 1686.

Note that the record also mentions John Guthry is from Scotland.

1686-1688: WITNESS – ELIZABETH GUTTEY
Middlesex County, Virginia

DB2 (16 Jan 1679-27 Aug 1688) p.73 Elizabeth Guttey is a witness to James Attwood & wife Mary’s appt of Francis Weeks as their lawful atty to sel a tract of 140a to Thomas Stapleton.

1687: BIRTH & BAPTISM of DAUGHTER – ANN GUTTREY / GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 16 Oct 1687

Ann Guttrey ye daughr. of Jno. and Eliza. Guttrey was baptz. 16th of Octob. 1687.

It is the practice in Christ Church Parish to baptize infants about 1 month after birth, so Ann Guthrie was most likely born around 16 September. No further details are known about Ann. It is possible that she died in infancy or childhood. If so, her death is not recorded in the CCPR.

1687: COURT RECORDS of MIDDLESEX COUNTY, VIRGINIA
Entry for 23 Nov 1687.
John Gutteridge listed as one of men thought capable by the court to serve as footmen and to find themselves armes.

1689: BIRTH & BAPTISM of SON – JOHN GUTHREY / GUTHRIE (II)
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 28 Jul 1689

John ye Sone of John & Eliza. Guthrey baptz. 28th July 1689.

Based on his baptismal date, John was probably born about the 28th of June. John Guthrie is the only one of John Guthrie & Elizabeth Baskett’s children who are known to have reached adulthood.

1691: BIRTH & BAPTISM of SON – RICHARD GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 3 Apr 1691

Richard the Sone of Jno. & Eliza. Guttrey was baptiz. the 3d of Aprill 1691.

Richard was most likely born about the 3rd of March 1691. No further data is know about Richard Guthrie.

1692: DEATH of a MINISTER
Rev. Matthew Lidford was chosen as minister in 1692, but soon died. he was then succeeded by Mr Grey.

1692: BIRTH & BAPTISM of SON – MASEY GUTHERY / GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 4 Sep 1692

Masey the Sone of Jno. and Eliza. Guthery was baptz. 4th of Septemb. 1692.

Masey’s DOB was probably about 4 August 1692. No further details are known about Masey Guthrie. The name Masey or Massey is a surname found within Middlesex County.

1692-1693: TRIAL of A PARISH MINISTER – REV SAMUEL GREY
During his time in Middlesex County, Virginia, the Reverend Samuel Grey, was judged to be a ‘most unworthy minister’ for causing the death of one of his own slaves by a severe whipping. This led to his resignation or expulsion in 1693 leaving another gap between established ministers for CCP.

1699-1704: MINISTERS YATES & YATES
Reverend Robert Yates served as CCP minister until 1703-4 when he returned to England in ill health. He was succeeded by his son Bartholowmew Yates who coninued his service until 1734.

1700: VIRGINIA COLONIAL RECORDS – OWED A DEBT
Middlesex County, Virginia on 3 Feb 1700

WB A p55: Inventory of Estate of Richard Willis, Gent. Debts owed include debt to John Gootery.

1701: BIRTH & BAPTISM of DAUGHTER – MARY GUTHERY / GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 23 Jan 1701/2

Listed in the CCP Register (Book) p54 as ‘Mary the Daughter of Jno. & Mary Guthery baptz. 23th of January 1701/2.

Mary was likely born 1 month prior to her baptism, so about 23 Dec 1700/1. The last record of Mary Guthrie found is 3 Jun 1718 when she is listed as the orphan of John Guttrich. The court ordered that Phillip Warwick was to pay Mary all such estate due to her as soon as she was of lawful age.

Note: There may be a typo in the CCPR transcript of original records or an original error naming the mother of Mary Guthrie. Note that she is listed as “Mary” instead of Elizabeth. This child was born 10 years after the last recorded birth for John & Elizabeth (Baskett) Guthrie.

1704: COURT ORDER – SUMMONS
Middlesex County, Virginia on 5 Jun 1704

Sheriff to summon the Surveyor of the Upper Precincts, John Gutteridge, to answer to the Grand Jury’s presentment against him.

1706: DEATH of JOHN GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia

1706/7: GUARDIANSHIP of JOHN GUTHRIE (II)
Middlesex County, Virginia

William Finney appointed guardian. “Know all men by these presents that I William Finney of County of Middlesex do give John Guttry two 2-year old heifers and their increase to him and his heirs forever.” Ack 3 Feb 1706.

Note 1: Guardians were typically appointed when underage children were orphaned (father deceased, not necessarily the mother, too) and the were to inherit something that required an adult to look out for their interests. In this case, John Guthrie (Jr) is the only one of John & Elizabeth’s children who was named in this 1706/7 request for appointment of a guardian. He was about 17 at the time. He may have been the oldest surviving son.

Note 2: William Finney is the presumed father of Elizabeth (Baskett) Guthrie’s illegitimate daughter Mary.

1708: MARRIAGE of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & SARAH STIFF
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 5 Jan 1708

John Gutterie & Sarah Stiff he 5th of January 1708

We don’t know anything about Sarah Stiff. It is supposed that she was a young woman since John Guthrie was only about 19 years old at the time of this marriage. She was most likely born between 1690-1693.

1708/9: DEATH of SARAH (STIFF) GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia (presumably)

No death date is noted for Sarah, but it would have been before August of 1710 when John Guthrie remarried. This marriage seems to have produced no children. There are no CCPR on that matter.

1710: MARRIAGE of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & JANE MITCHAM
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 4 Aug 1710

John Gutterie & Jane Mitcham 4th of August 1710

Jane’s surname may actually be Meacham instead of Mitcham. There are no specific clues in the CCPR as to her parents or age at the time of her marriage. John Guthrie was about 21 at the time, so it is likely that Jane was also a young bride of 16-21 years of age, estimating her DOB range as 1689-1694. There were 4 children born to this marriage recorded in the CCPR.

1711: COURT ORDER – JANE GUTTERY – WITNESS
Middlesex County, Virginia

Jane Guttery witness for John Aldin, James Meacham, and Elizabeth Minor, excrs of Robert Herman, Decd, Pts vs William Young, admr of Thomas Morris, deft. 4 days attendance & costs to be paid by ptfs.

1713: BIRTH of JANE – DAU. of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & JANE MITCHAM
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia abt. 7 Mar 1713

Jane was baptized on 7 March 1713, so her DOB was probably in February or March. No further data is known about Jane.

1715: COURT ORDER – BENJAMIN BAKER v. JOHN GUTTERY
Middlesex County, Virginia on 7 Feb 1715

Baker v Guttery continued to next court

1715: COURT ORDER – ELIZABETH GUTTEREY (Widow)
Middlesex County, Virginia on 7 Mar 1715

Gutterey to be held in custody — Elizabeth Gutterey not appearing to answer to the grand jury’s presentment against her. The order for taking her into custody held till next court.

Same Date:
Walford v Guttery. Continued till next court. (Same as Baker v. Guttery).

1715: BIRTH & BAPTISM of DAUGHTER – MARY GUTTERY / GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 24 Aug 1715

“Mary–an illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Guttery.”

The father of Mary Guthrie is presumed to be William Finney, who remained close to the family after John Guthrie’s death and became guardian to son John. Upon William’s 1717 death he bequeathed items and livestock to Elizabeth Guthrie.

1715: COURT ORDER – ELIZABETH GUTTEREY (Widow)
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Dec 1715

Delinquent: Ordered that the Sheriff summon several persons to appear at next court. Ordered that Elizabeth Guttery be taken into custody till she gives security for her appearance.

Same Date:

BAKER v GUTTERY: Action of debt bet. Edward Walford & wife Elizabeth, and Benjamin Baker, Excrs of estate of Ralph Baker Decd, plaintiffs, and John Guttery, defendant. Deft not answering, so motion granted for sum sued for.

1716: COURT ORDER – WALFORD v. GUTTERY
Middlesex County, Virginia on 3 Apr 1716

WALFORD v GUTTERY: Plaintiffs motion against the defendant’s estate continued to next court.

This entry clears up the identity of the John Guttery being sued. It mentions the defendant’s estate, so must refer to the deceased John Guthrie (The Immigrant) rather than his son, which is also likely why Elizabeth Guthrie was summoned to court in the two cases.

1716: COURT ORDER – WALFORD v. GUTTERY
Middlesex County, Virginia on 7 Aug 1716

WALFORD v GUTTERY: Order for appraisement of goods made on 5 Apr 1716. 2 tobacco casks, 450ft poplar planks, 210ft white oak planks.

1716: BIRTH of JOHN (III) – SON of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & JANE MITCHAM
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 16 August 1716

John Guthrie’s birth was recorded as 16 August 1716 with a baptismal date of 26 August 1716.

John married Mary Gest about 1743. No marriage record found. They had 2 daughters, Jane and Ann ‘Nanny’ Guthrie.

As the eldest son of the family, he was granted the administration of his stepmother, Mary (Shay) Guthrie’s estate upon her death in 1743. Letters of administration were granted in Feb 1744.

John was a bricklayer. In 1745 his half-brother Henry Guthrie was bound to him by the parish to learn the bricklayer’s trade and to learn to read and write. Unfortunately, John also died young at about 30 years of age in 1747.

1716: COURT ORDER – WALFORD v. GUTTERY
Middlesex County, Virginia on 4 Sep 1716

WALFORD v GUTTERY: Plaintiffs not prosecuting action.

1716: COURT ORDER – ELIZABETH GUTTEREY (Widow)
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Dec 1715

Grand Jury v Elizabeth Gutterey is dismissed.

1717: COURT RECORDS – CHURCHILL v. GUTTRY
Middlesex County, Virginia on 2 Jul 1717

CHURCHILL Excrs v GUTTRY: The action of debt bet Mann Page Esq & John Wormley Gent Excrs of Elizabeth Churchill decd plts, and John Guttrey is dismist.

1717: COURT RECORDS – ASSESSMENT of SLAVE
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Aug 1717

John Guttery’s negro boy Harry is adjudged at 8 years of age.

1717: WILL OF WILLIAM FINNEY
Middlesex County, Virginia

Will of William Finney, Middlesex Co., VA Wills, 1713-1734, Vol. 3, #4, p. 170. Bequeathed to Elizabeth “an old puter dish, two puter plates and iron kittle and one old chest and one cow and one calfe.”

William Finney is presumed to be the father of Elizabeth Guthrie’s illegitimate daughter, Mary. He died in CCP on 26 Apr 1718 and was buried on 30 Apr 1718.

1718: BIRTH of NANNY – DAU. of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & JANE MITCHAM
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia

Nanny Guthrie was born on 31 Jan 1718 and baptized 8 Mar 1718. She married a Joseph Milby. No marriage recorded in the CCPR. However, a property record dated 1768 mentions that Nanny, the wife of Joseph, was the daughter of John Guthres. This couple was living in Middlesex County, VA in 1768 when they sold property and a slave.

Joseph Milby and Nanny his wife sell to Jeremiah Shepard for 10pounds, 15shillings and one negro girl 100 acres in Parish of Christ Church. 

1718: GUARDIANSHIP of MARY GUTTRICH
Middlesex County, Virginia on 3 Jun 1718

This is probably Mary, the youngest daughter of John Guthrie & Elizabeth Guthrie who was born in 1701/2 who is now about 16 and therefore perhaps old enough to remind her guardian to pay her all parts of her father’s estate due her as soon as she becomes of lawful age? (I think it was 16 for girls, 18 for boys.)

1719: PROPERTY SALE by JOHN & JANE (MITCHAM) GUTHRIE
Middlesex County, Virginia on 19 Aug 1719

John Guttrey of Middlesex County and Jane his wife sell 2 acres of land bounded by Byers Swamp & land of Katherine Young, to Robert Daniell of same county, for 50 shillings current money. Ackn 7 Sep 1719.

1719: PROPERTY SALE by JOHN & JANE (MITCHAM) GUTHRIE
Middlesex County, Virginia in Sep 1719

John & Jane Guthery sold 2 acres of land to Robert Daniel. 50 shillings. Land on the N side of Briary Swamp bounded within land of Katherine Young.

1720: WITNESS
Middlesex County, Virginia on 19 Dec 1720

John Guttrey listed as a witness to the Will of Thomas Cheadle 19 Dec 1720 / 2 Jun 1724. Will Book B, p275.

1722: BIRTH of WILLIAM – SON of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & JANE MITCHAM
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 14 Feb 1722

William was born on 14 Feb and baptized 10 Mar 1722. He died at the age of 1 year.

The parish register names Mary as Wm’s mother, but his birth occurred 2 months before Jane’s DOD, so it is more likely that Jane was his biological mother and his birth was later recorded with Mary as his mother.

1722: DEATH of JANE (MITCHAM) GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 22 Apr 1722

Jane died on 22 April 1722 and was buried on the 24th.

1722: MARRIAGE of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & MARY SHAY
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 23 Sep 1722

It seems that John Guthrie may already have been in a relationship with Mary Shay prior to their marriage. Their son Garritt Guthrie was born in February only 5 months after the wedding.

1722: VESTRY ORDER
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 11 Oct 1722

Vestry to give Jno Guttery 560 pounds tobacco for keeping Grace Southworth 8 months

1722: GRAND JURY MEMBER
Middlesex County, Virginia on 12 Oct 1722

John Guttrey listed as Grand Jury Member

1722: COURT RECORDS
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Nov 1722

Thomas Wood acknowledged deeds of Lease & Release and Bond to John Guttrey. Recorded.

1723: BIRTH of GARRITT – SON of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & MARY SHAY
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 19 FEB 1723

Garritt was born on 19 Feb and baptized on 8 Mar 1723. The name of his spouse is unknown. He may have married outside of CCP. The sons attributed to him are mainly via presumed relationships due to common location, but the GFG1A YDNA profile has been confirmed for most. It is possible that Garritt lived for a time in Hanover County, VA as his presumed son John Guthrie (YDNA not tested) indicated he was born there. The first confirmed records for Garritt Guthrie begin in Orange County, NC in 1764, later in Caswell and then Person Counties. He died about 1805 in North Carolina.

Children: 6
Sons: John, James, Charles, William, Nathaniel, and Absolom
Daughters: None Known

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes

1723: DEATH of WILLIAM – SON of JOHN GUTHRIE (II)/ JANE MITCHAM
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 27 Apr 1723

William was only 1 year of age at his death. He died of unknown causes.

1724: BIRTH & BAPTISM of DAUGHTER – ANNE GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Dec 1724

“Anne illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Guttery born ______ baptized Decemr ye 6 1724.” 

It is possible that Anne was born closer to 1717 and baptized later on, but there is no confirmation found. If she was born at that earlier date, she is also likely to be a daughter of William Finney. If born in 1724, her father’s identity is not known, and mother Elizabeth Guthrie, widow of John Guthrie (The Immigrant) would be in her early 50s. Certainly possible to conceive at that age, but she would be at the end of her childbearing years.

1725: COURT RECORDS
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Jul 1725

Indenture made 2 Dec 1724 bet John Guttery of Middlesex, planter, and John Nicholls of King & Queen. Lease of land for 5 shillings sterling. 50 acres adjacent Dragon Swamp.

1726: BIRTH of HENRY – SON OF JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & MARY SHAY
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 8 Jan 1726

Henry was born on 8 Jan and baptized on 29 Jan 1726. He married Penelope Johnson, a Quaker, on 11 Jan 1755 in Louisa County, Virginia. She was officially disowned by the Quaker Community for marrying contrary to discipline. Henry was not a Quaker, so Penelope was shunned for it. Her mother, Agnes Johnson, was then condemned for entertaining her daughter on the day of the marriage, which was contrary to the advice of the Friends. The couple had a large family. Henry bough land in Bedford County, Virginia in 1764. He took the Oath of Allegiance required by the Virginia General Assembly and is credited with ferriage across the Staunton River during the Revolutionary War. Franklin County, VA was formed in 1785 from Bedford, and afterward Henry was listed as a resident of that county. He died in 1786 survived by his wife Penelope who died in 1815.

Children: 12
Sons: James, John, David, Benjamin, Henry
Daughters: Mary, Agnes, Sarah, Penelope, Ann, Mildred, Ruth

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: yes

1727: PROPERTY SALE
Deed Book 1-85 John Guttery of Middlesex to Jehu Nicholls of King & Queen, 2 dec 1724, 5 sh, 50 a Sex, lying upon the South Side of the Briry branch,. Beginning at the mouth of the briny at the Run of the Dragon Swamp and up the Run of the Bryery to the mouth of a Small Branch between the aforesaid Guttery and Robert Daniel, and from the branch to a Spanish Oak, on the side of the branch to a sycamore in the Old field being a Corner Tree between Robert Daniel and the aforesaid Guttery. And from thence to a corner Red Oak between Guttery and Daniel and Brooks, and a Long Brooks line to a Corner Spanish Oak between Guttery, Brooks and Dennis Obry. … signed John (x) Guttery. wit Daniel Hayes, John Nicholls, Joseph Meachum. recd 7 Sep 1725. This acreage was purchased in 1727 by Robert Daniels Jr who died in 1742 who willed it to his son Robert who sold it to brother George Daniel in 1758. See website on Daniel Family Lands.

1729: BIRTH of WILLIAM & JAMES- SONS of JOHN GUTHRIE (II) & MARY SHAY
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 19 Apr 1729

Twins William Guthrie & James Guthrie were born on 19 Apr 1729. They were baptized together on 11 May 1729.

Nothing further is known about James Guthrie. It is presumed that he died in infancy or early childhood because his twin, William, was later bound out for an apprenticeship and there is no indication that the same was done for James.

After his father’s death in 1733, when William was only about 3 or 4 years of age, he presumably lived with his mother, Mary (Shay) Guthrie. In 1740, when he was about 7, he was bound out to James Daniel, Jr as an apprentice shoemaker, and then in 1744 to Robert Daniel. No other documents identify this William Guthrie. He may have died before reaching adulthood or moved out of Middlesex County and remains untraced.

Caution! There are many online trees that have erroneously linked William Guthrie 1722VA-1798KY & Eleanor Harris Abbott’s line to this William Guthrie. Y-DNA testing has proven that the Guthrie-Abbott line originates with a different genetic group (GFG5), and is not related to this one.

1729: VESTRY ORDER
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 9 Oct 1729

Vestry orders Mary Finley to receive L2, and the residue of sd fines to John Guthrey, Margaret Bowman & the widow of Josep Hardee. Depositum be likewise distributed bet sd Guthrey & Hardee for the relief of their children.

1733: DEATH of JOHN GUTHRIE (II)
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 24 Oct 1733

“John Guttery dyed October ye 24 1733.”

1734: ESTATE ADMINISTRATION – JOHN GUTHRIE (II)
Middlesex County, Virginia on 1 Jan 1734

Mary Gutrey petitioning for admr of estate of John Gutrey, decd and making oath according to law certificate is granted

1734: COURT RECORDS – ESTATE ADMINISTRATION – JOHN GUTHRIE (II)
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Feb 1734

WAIT v GUTREY: Suit by petition of Conquest Wait & Edward Wait, merchants, plts, and Mary Gutrey, admx of all and singular goods & chattel rights & credits of John Gutrey decd deft. Ordered continued next court.

1734: COURT RECORDS – ESTATE ADMINISTRATION – JOHN GUTHRIE (II)
Middlesex County, Virginia on 2 Apr 1734

WYAT v GUTREY: Judgment was granted plts for sum of 3 pounds 10 shillings 6 pence current money. Plts to recover sum & costs.

1735: VESTRY ORDER
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 11 Nov 1735

Vestry orders that 450 pounds tobacco be divided between Mary Finley & Mary Guttery.

1735: COURT ORDER
Middlesex County, Virginia on 7 Oct 1735

On motion of Mary Gutrey an evidence for John Bowles agst Dennis OBryan. Ordered Bowles pay her 2 days attendance with costs.

1736: VESTRY ORDER
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 12 Oct 1736

Vestry orders Mary Guttery to receive 249-1/2 pounds tobacco. Also that 499 pounds be divided between Thomas French & Mary Guttery.

1737: COURT RECORDS
Middlesex County, Virginia on 8 Apr 1737

The Scire facias brought by Edward Wyat plt agst Mary Guthrey deft is ordered to be continued to next court at plts costs.

Definition: A scire facias was a writ founded upon some judicial record directing the sheriff to make the record known to a specified person to require them to appear in court and argue why a judgement against them should not be annulled, vacated, executed or enforced.

1737: COURT RECORDS
Middlesex County, Virginia on 6 Jul 1737

The suit by scire facias brought by Edward Wyat plt agst Mary Gutrey is considered that the judgment be recd with present and former costs.

1737: VESTRY ORDERS
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 13 Oct 1737

Vestry orders that the church wardens receive the fees due the parish and divide them between John Chowning, Mary Finley & Mary Guttery.

1738: VESTRY ORDERS
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 12 Oct 1738

Vestry Orders 400 pounds tobacco to be given to Mary Guttery. Ordered church wardens divide fees due the parish and give them to Mary Finley & Mary Guttery.

1739: VESTRY ORDERS
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 13 Oct 1739

Vestry orders 14 pounds & 5 shillings be divided between Frances Branch, Ann Dudley, Mary Finley, Mary Guthry, Mary French, Ann Rudd, & Mary Dobbs.

1740: VESTRY ORDERS
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 9 Oct 1740

Vestry orders the church wardens divide fees due the parish between Ann Dudley, Mary Finley,, Mary Guthry, & Mary Dobbs.

1743: DEATH of MARY (SHAY) GUTHRIE
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 2 Jan 1743

1743: INVENTORY of the ESTATE of MARY GUTHRIE
Middlesex County, Virginia on 7 Feb 1743

7 Feb 1743–Court ordered inventory of estate of Mary Guthrie. From Middlesex Co., VA will Book C: 1740-1748. John Guthrie and Rames Reid adx.

1743: VESTRY ORDERS
Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia on 12 Oct 1743

Vestry orders fines due the parish (6 pounds, 15 shillings) be divided between Mary Guthry, Ann Dudley, Patience Colly & Mary Blakely.

OTHER CHRIST CHURCH PARISH GUTHRIE ENTRIES:

Due to the sketchy availability of colonial era Virginia records it is unknown exactly where some of these Guthrie families belong. They could potentially be related to GFG1A or come from different genetic stock living in the same close region.

William Guthrie & Lettice Burk & Family (m. 24 Jan 1716)
– dau Ann (1722)
– dau Rachel (1724)
William Guthrie & Frances Wilbourn Family (m. 29 Nov 1728)
-dau Mary (1730)
-son William (1731)
– son John (1735)
– dau Frances (1737)
– son William (1740)
– dau Margaret (1742)
– dau Ann (1745)
– son Samuel (1752)
David Gutherie & Susanna Thurston m. 11 Oct 1723
Daniel Guthrie & Sarah___ Family
– dau Ann (1739)
Judith Gutterie & Charles Gunter n. 15 Apr 1734
Betty Guttery & Robert Chowning 24 Dec 1735
Edward Guthrie died 28 Sep 1739
Lucy Guttery & William Daniel m. 26 Jul 1770
James Guthrie & Nancy Garrett of K&Q m. 28 Mar 1782
Ann Guthrie (of K&Q) & William Moulson m. 6 Dec 1782
Mary Guthrie (of K&Q) & Benjamin Kidd m. 8 Jan 1784
Major Guthree & Phebe____ Family
– dau Betsy (1785)
Frances Pain daughter of Mary Guthrie was born 18 Mar (1848?)


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