G: William Guthrie & Elizabeth Wingfield

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG1A – BRANCH G

William Guthrie c1772-c1824 & Elizabeth Wingfield
of Amherst County, Virginia, USA

Until recently, William Guthrie and Elizabeth Wingfield’s descendants were listed as an Ungrouped Guthrie Family. A YDNA match for GFG1A has led to the discovery of a documentation/family placement error, which shows that the family of John William Guthrie c1800VA-c1855 and Elizabeth White is not associated with the GFG2A families of Augusta County, Virginia as is documented in ‘American Guthrie and Allied Families’ by Laurence R. Guthrie.

The original error seems to have come about because John Guthrie settled in Augusta County, Virginia where members of GFG2A-Branch H were also living. This included two men from that group also named John Guthrie, whose families were enumerated in the 1810, 1820, and 1830 censuses. Ancestry lists this John Guthrie as John Guthier Thatcher, when in fact the original image lists him as John Guthrie (Teacher), a single male of 16-25. Parentheses were used to differentiate him from the other men of the same name.

William Guthrie and Elizabeth Wingfield are the likely parents to John William Guthrie as he uses the Wingfield name for one of his sons. A second YDNA test from one of their direct male descendants is required for genetic confirmation.

The 1810 census for Amherst County, Virginia includes William Guthrie, David Guthrie, Edward Guthrie, and Nathaniel Guthrie. These are potential relatives. The latter has been identified as the household of Nathaniel Guthrie and Nancy Johns. They had only 1 son. No participant YDNA in the project for that line at this time. David and Edward Guthrie remain unidentified, but appear to be too old to be one of the 14 children of William & Elizabeth (Wingfield) Guthrie.



THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG1A
Group Designation: Branch G – (The Guthries of Amherst, VA)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-Y62042


Y-DNA Matches:

Kit 259168
William Guthrie/Elizabeth Wingfield > John William Guthrie/Elizabeth White > George Wyatt Guthrie/Cornelia Grass > John William Guthrie/Willie Fontaine Dawson (GGP) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:

Kit 382946
William Guthrie/Elizabeth Wingfield > John William Guthrie/Elizabeth White > Emily Jane Guthrie/James Calvin Hall > George Edward Hall/Maggie Mitchell Luck > Robert Earl Hall/Harriet E Williams (GGP)

Kit B7010
William Guthrie/Elizabeth Wingfield > John William Guthrie/Elizabeth White > Emily Jane Guthrie/James Calvin Hall > George Edward Hall/Maggie Mitchell Luck > Robert Earl Hall/Harriet E Williams (GGP)


Findings:

The YDNA match has successfully been traced back to John William Guthrie and Elizabeth White. John’s likely parents are William Guthrie & Elizabeth Wingfield. Confirmatory matching is recommended. We need a second direct male descendant of the Guthrie-Wingfield line. They had 14 children including several sons, so there is a good chance of finding a candidate.

The FF Kits previously linked to GFG2A-Branch H have now been moved to GFG1A. This is corroborated by an autosomal to Kit 259168.



THE FAMILY of WILLIAM GUTHRIE & ELIZABETH WINGFIELD

WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Parents: Unknown
Born: Before 1766 (census-based estimate)
Location: Virginia, probably
Marriage: Elizabeth Wingfield, 26 Jan 1797 in Amherst
Occupation: Farmer and Merchant
Death: About 1824
Location: Amherst County, Virginia, USA
Buried: Unknown, presumably in Amherst County, Virginia, USA


ELIZABETH WINGFIELD
Parents: John Wingfield (Physician/Surgeon)/Mother Unk
Born: 1766-1784 (census-based estimate)
Location: Albemarle County, Virginia, reportedly
Sons: John William (1800), Nicholas, Laurence P, Nathan, Oliver P (1818)
Daughters: Elizabeth, Sarah, Susan W, Lucy
Unidentified: 5 others
Death: 1828
Location: Amherst County, Virginia, USA
Buried: Unknown, presumably in Amherst County, Virginia, USA


CHILDREN:

UNKNOWN SON
Born 1795-1800VA – Unknown

Based on the enumeration of the William Guthrie family in 1810 Amherst, VA, he presumably had a son aged 10-15 living in the household. This male is too young to be the David Guthrie or Edward Guthrie listed in the 1820 census for that location.


JOHN WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1802VA-1852

John William Guthrie is the direct paternal ancestor of YDNA participant Kit 259168. A family ‘remembrance’ card lists his DOD as 1852 at 50 years of age. He moved to Staunton, Augusta, Virginia when he was 20 to work as a teacher (see census). On 13 Dec 1824, he was joined in marriage with Elizabeth L White in Augusta, Virginia, and they continued to reside there through the 1850 census. This couple were parents to 10 children: George Wyatt (1826), Catherine ‘Kate’ (1828), John Wingfield (1830), James Hamilton (1831), Emily Jane (1833), Elizabeth Mary (1835), Susan Cornelia (1840), Sarah Oliver ‘Sallie’ (1845), Amanda L (1847), and Samuel C (1848). John William Guthrie died in 1852, location unverified. His family continued to live in Augusta County, but various trees list the possibility that he died in Indiana or Missouri.


UNKNOWN SON
Born 1801-1810VA – Unknown

There are 5 males under 10 years of age enumerated in the William Guthrie family for 1810.


UNKNOWN SON
Born 1801-1810VA – Unknown

There are 5 males under 10 years of age enumerated in the William Guthrie family for 1810.


UNKNOWN SON
Born 1801-1810VA – Unknown

There are 5 males under 10 years of age enumerated in the William Guthrie family for 1810.


CATHERINE GUTHRIE
Born 1801-1810VA – Unknown

There is an Amherst marriage for Catherine Guthrie and Campbell Franklin on 5 Jan 1819, W: William Guthrie. SW: Rich. Burros, Jno. Turner. MR: 7 Jan 1819, Pleasant Thurman. Campbell Franklin later became guardian to some of the younger children of William and Elizabeth (Wingfield) Guthrie. The census records suggest they may have been living with them.


NICHOLAS GUTHRIE
Born 1804-1811VA – Unknown

Nicholas Guthrie was under 21 in 1825 when his mother Elizabeth Guthrie was assigned as his legal guardian making his earliest probable DOB 1804. He was over 21 in 1832 when he was assigned the guardianship of his younger siblings making his latest probable year of birth 1811.

He could potentially be the Nicholas Guthrie who married Esther Franklin in Campbell County, Virginia on 21 Nov 1836. The family already has a Franklin connection with the marriage of Nicholas’ sister Catherine to Campbell Franklin.


NATHAN GUTHRIE
Born 1807-11VA – c1858

Nathan Guthrie is probably in the group of sons under 10 in 1810. He was named in his father’s probate records when his mother Elizabeth Guthrie was assigned guardianship if her younger children: Nathan, Susan, Sarah, Oliver P, and Elizabeth in 1828. So he was probably under 21 in 1828. He no longer needed a guardian in 1832 when his brother Nicholas assumed the guardianship over Sally (Sarah), Laurence P, Oliver, and Elizabeth. So he was probably at least 21 by 1832, making his birthdate range 1807-1811.

Nathaniel Guthrie, Sarah W Guthrie, and Susan L Stockton were listed together in the 1850 census of Lafayette County, Missouri.

Nathan wrote a will on 23 oct 1849, which was recorded 19 Jul 1858. He named his sister Susan Stockton as his executor. His property consisted of slaves, which he left to his sisters Susan Stockton and Sarah Guthrie.


SUSAN L GUTHRIE
1810VA-1886MO

Susan was probably born about 1810. She was under 21 in 1828, and still had a guardian at the time of her marriage to Preston Stockton on 9 May 1831. Her brother-in-law Campbell Franklin is listed as her guardian with surety provided by brothers Nicholas Guthrie and Nathan Guthrie.

Susan was widowed and living with her siblings Nathaniel and Sarah in Lafayette, Missouri during the 1850 census. After Nathan’s death she continued to live with Sarah in Westport, Jackson, Missouri.

Susan “dropped dead” according to the headline on 12 Oct 1886 in Marshall, Saline, Missouri. Aged 76, she was simply making her bed. (The Democrat-Argus, 1896)


LUCY GUTHRIE
Born 1811-1817VA – 1835

Lucy Guthrie was one of the younger daughters. In 1828, her mother was assigned as her guardian. She married on 23 Sep 1833 to Creed Taylor, so she was most likely born no later than 1817. They are credited with one daughter: Mary Louise Taylor (1834). Trees list Lucy’s death as 1835.


SARAH ‘SALLY’ W GUTHRIE
Born 1816-1818VA

Sally Guthrie was born between 1811-1824 in Amherst County, Virginia. After her father’s death, her mother was initially assigned as her guardian. Her brother Nicholas Guthrie became guardian in 1832. She was still single in 1849 when her brother Nathan Guthrie died naming her as one of his heirs. She inherited some of his slaves.

Sally remained single and continued to live with her sister Susan in Westport, Jackson, Missouri during the 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses. Her sister died in 1886. Unknown if Sally died before or after her.


LAURENCE P GUTHRIE
Born 1817VA – Unknown

Laurence still required a guardian in 1832 when his brother Nicholas was assigned to him, Sally, Oliver, and Elizabeth indicating they were probably still under 21 (Born after 1811).

Unconfirmed, but it is possible that he is the single man living in Sierra County, California in 1860 listed as L. P. Guthrie, a laborer. Also, French Corral, Nevada, California during the 1880 census listed as P. Lawrence Guthrie, born in VA 1817, working as a laborer. Voter Registration entries in 1867, 1871, 1873, 1875, 1877, 1879, 1884, 1886 Nevada, California for Lawrence Perry Guthrie and in Yuba, California for 1892 for Lawrence P. Guthrie.


OLIVER P GUTHRIE
1818VA-1896MO

Oliver P Guthrie appears to be the best documented offspring of William and Elizabeth (Wingfield) Guthrie. He was born on 28 Sep 1818 in Amherst County, Virginia, the ‘next to the youngest’ of 14 children. He married Frances J F Mead on 17 Sep 1842 in that same place. The couple were parents to William A (1845), Annie Elizabeth (1846), Lucy Virginia (1848), Charles Anthon (1848), Mary Frances (1850), James (1852), Walter Scott (1855), Prudence Olivia (1858), and Ida May (1860). They moved to Lafayette County, Missouri by 1850, and to Saline County, Missouri after that. Oliver was a minister, an educator, and County School Examiner. He died in Marshall, Saline, Missouri on 18 Sep 1896 about ten years after his wife Frances.
(Read: Portrait and Biographical Record of Lafayette and Saline Counties, Missouri – Prof. Oliver Guthrie)


ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
Born 1819-1824VA – Unknown

Elizabeth Guthrie was in the group of younger siblings. Based on the listing of orphans, she was the youngest. Elizabeth married John G Wingfield in Amherst County, VA on 11 Nov 1843, surety: Oliver Guthrie and Nathan Guthrie. No further details.



HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

BEFORE 1752
Virginia, USA, possibly in Amherst County or Hanover County

Based on census records, it appears that William Guthrie was born before 1766. There is a Property Record dated 11 Jan 1773 from Leonard Goff to Wm Guttry. Assuming that this is the same William Guthrie, he would have to be of legal age to purchase land shifting his likely birth year to before 1752.

The biographical sketch on his son, Oliver P Guthrie, claims that William Guthrie was of Scotch-Irish descent and that his family was from either the North of Ireland or the South of Scotland. William was reportedly born in Hanover County., and was 52 at the time of his death. Since his death is estimated at 1824, that would make his DOB about 1772. If true, the Property Purchase in 1773 and the 1783 Tax Record would not be his.

1773: PROPERTY PURCHASE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 11 Jan 1773

11Jan 1773 Leonard Goff, AC, to WM. GUTTRY L30 100a br. of Stovall ck. Lines; Orphins; Ann Good, ux of Leonard, Wits., Jno Forqueran; Jno Goff; Mary Goff. Proved by the 3 wits. on 5 Jul 1773.

1783: TAX RECORD
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

William Guttrey, No Township Listed, 1783 Tax List

1797: MARRIAGE of WILLIAM GUTHRIE & ELIZABETH WINGFIELD
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 26 January 1797

William Guthrie married Elizabeth Wingfield, surety: John Wingfield.

“A farmer by occupation, (William) also owned a line of boats on the James River, carrying freight from Lynchburg to Richmond, and conducting a prosperous business.”

1810: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

WILLIAM GUTHERY
Males 45 and over: 1
Females 26-44: 1
Males 10-15: 1
Males under 10: 5
Females under 10: 2
Slaves: 9
Total Household Members: 19

DAVID GUTTERY
Males 26-44: 1
Females 16-25: 1
Females under 10: 1
Total Household Members: 3

EDWARD GUTTERY
Males 26-44: 1
Total Household Members: 1

NATHANIEL GUTTERY
Males 45 and over: 1
Females 26-44: 1
Females 16-25: 2
Females 10-15: 3
Males under 10: 1
Females under 10: 4
Total Household Members: 12

1819: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – CATHERINE GUTHRIE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 5 January 1819

Catherine Guthrie married Campbell Franklin, W: William Guthrie, SW: Rich. Burros, Jno. Turner, MR: 7 Jan 1819, Pleasant Thurman.

1820: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

In 1820, William Guthrie and his wife Elizabeth are both supposed to be living, and as far as is known they should still be in Amherst County, VA, yet the family does not appear on the census.

The only entry is for Sophia (Wood) Gutrey, the widow of David Guthrie.

SOPHIA GUTREY
Females 16-25: 1
Males 10-15: 1
Females under 10: 3

1820: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Staunton, Augusta County, Virginia, USA

At this time there are 3 men named William Guthrie living in Augusta County, VA. The census taker has designated them as Senior, Junr., and Teacher. The other two entries are in Waynesboro and correspond with men from GFG2A – Branch H. The third in Staunton is likely to be the John Guthrie of this line who married Elizabeth White in 1824.

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
John Guthrie (Teacher) – 1 male 16-25 (born 1795-1804)

1824: DEATH of WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA about 1824

Documents regarding the administration of the estate of William Guthrie begin about march 1824. He was killed when his foot was caught in the stirrup of a runaway horse.

1824: PROBATE – ADMINISTRATION & BONDS
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 17 May 1824

WM. GUTHRIE — 6:454 AB; ELIZ. GUTHRIE, Henry Turner, Jesse Beck, Jas. Davies, and Wm. Day, 17 May 1824, for EG.

1824: PROBATE – INVENTORY
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 1 September 1824

WM. GUTHRIE — 6:602 — Inv., $7381.78, 1 Sep 1824, Wm. Turner, Elias Wills, Chas. Palmore

1824: MARRIAGE of SON – JOHN WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 13 December 1824

John Guthrie married Elizabeth L White

1825: GUARDIANSHIP of YOUNGEST CHILDREN ASSIGNED
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

SALLY GUTHRIE — 6:620 GB — ELIZ. GUTHRIE, Wm. Turner et al as in item above. EG as gin of SALLY, LAURENCE, OLIVER, and ELIZ. GUTHRIE, orphans of WM GUTHRIE.

1826: ESTATE RECORDS – SALE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 2 January 1826

WM. GUTHRIE — 6:644 — Sale, 2 Jan 1826. Buyers: ELIZ. and JNO. GUTHRIE.

1828: DEATH of ELIZABETH (WINGFIELD) GUTHRIE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA presumably in Dec 1827 or Jan 1828

1828: ESTATED RECORDS – INVENTORY
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 19 Jan 1828

ELIZ. GUTHRIE — 7:202 Inv — $648.06-1/2, 19 Jan 1828. Jesse Beck; Jas. Davis; Willis Reynolds.

1828: GUARDIANSHIP of YOUNGEST CHILDREN REASSIGNED
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 19 Jan 1828

ELIZ. GUTHRIE — 7:188 GB — Campbell Franklin, and others as in 7:189 –same date– for CF as gdn of Nathan, Susan, Sarah, Oliver P., and Eliz. Guthrie, orphans of Wm Guthrie.

1828: ESTATE RECORDS – CHANGE of ADMINISTRATOR
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 17 November 1828

WM. GUTHRIE — 7:187 AB — Campbell Franklin, Thos. Franklin, Jno. and Nichl. Guthrie, 17 Nov 1828, for estate to be admr. by CF, unadministered by Elizabeth Guthrie.

1830: ESTATE RECORDS – ADMINISTRATION
Amherst County, Virginia, USA on 17 May 1830

WM. GUTHRIE — 8:7 AA — ELIZ GUTHRIE, 17 May 1830, probably submitted by committee after her death. Necessaries for family in 1825 and taxes in 1824. Committee of Chas. Mundy and Geo. Staples.

1830: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

Once again, the only Guthrie entry for Amherst County is Sophie, widow of David Guthrie.

SOPHIE GATRIE
Female 30-39: 1
Females 10-14: 2
Females 5-9: 2

1831: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – SUSAN L GUTHRIE
9 May 1831 in Amherst County, Virginia, USA

Susan L Guthrie married Preston Stockton with the permission of her guardian Campbell Franklin, SW: Nicholas Guthrie, Nathan Guthrie

1832: GUARDIANSHIP of YOUNGEST CHILDREN REASSIGNED
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

SALLY GUTHRIE — 8:187 GB — NICHL. GUTHRIE, Thos. Wingfield, and NATHAN GUTRIE, 21 Mar 1832, for NG as gdn of SALLY, LAURENCE P.; OLIVER, and ELIZ. GUTHRIE, orphans of WM. GUTHRIE.

1833: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – LUCY GUTHRIE
23 September 1833 in Amherst County, Virginia, USA

Lucy Guthrie married Creed Taylor, SW: Campbell Franklin, N. Guthrie

1835: DEATH of DAUGHTER – LUCY (GUTHRIE) TAYLOR
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

1840: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

NICHOLAS GUTHRIE
Females 40-49L 1
Males 30-39: 2
Males 20-29: 1
Females 20-29: 4
Slaves:
Females 55-99: 1
Females 24-35: 1
Male 10-23: 1
Females 10-23: 2
Females under 10: 1
Total Slaves: 6
Total Household Members: 14

1840: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Augusta County, Virginia, USA

JOHN GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
Females 70-79: 1
Females 60-69: 1
Males 40-40: 1
Females 30-39: 1
Males 10-14: 2
Females 10-14: 1
Females 5-9: 1
Males under 5: 1
Females under 5: 2
Employed in Agriculture: 1
Total Household Members: 11

1842: MARRIAGE of SON – OLIVER P GUTHRIE
Amherst County, Virginia, USA

Oliver Guthrie married Frances J F Mead on 17 Sep 1842.

1843: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
11 November 1843 in Amherst County, Virginia, USA

Elizabeth Guthrie married John G Wingfield, SW: Oliver Guthrie, Nathan Guthrie

1850: US FEDERAL CENSUS of VIRGINIA
District 2 and a Half, Augusta County, Virginia, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
John Guthrie 50 M Farmer VA
Elizabeth Guthrie 44 F VA
Catharine Guthrie 22 F VA
Emily J Guthrie 18 F VA
Elizabeth Guthrie 16 F VA
James Guthrie 13 M VA
Cornelia Guthrie 11 F VA
Sarah Guthrie 9 F VA
Amanda Guthrie 7 F VA
Samuel C Guthrie 4 M VA
Jane Frazer 80 F VA

1850: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
District 46, Lafayette County, Missouri, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
Nathaniel Guthrie 38 M Farmer VA
Sarah W Guthrie 28 F VA
Susan L Stockton 35 F VA

The 1850 Slave Schedules list Nathl Guthrie of District 46 as the owner of:
1 black female: 40
1 black male: 35
1 black female: 12
1 black female: 10
1 black female: 6
1 black female: 2

MCLURE HOUSEHOLD:
Christopher C McLure 38 M Lawyer 25,000 NC
Kath McLure 33 F PA
William A McLure 10 M MO
Oliver Guthrie 31 M School Teacher VA
Frances J F Guthrie 30 F VA
William F Guthrie 5 M VA
Ann E C Guthrie 4 F VA
Mary O Guthrie 4/12 F MO

1852: DEATH of SON – JOHN WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Abt. 1852 in Virginia, or Indiana, or Missouri

1858: DEATH of SON – NATHAN GUTHRIE
Abt. 1858 in Lafayette County, Missouri, USA

Although Nathan wrote his will in 1849, it was not recorded until his death about 1858.

1860: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
Dolan, Cass County, Missouri, USA

GUTHERIE HOUSEHOLD:
Rev O Gutherie 41 M Minister (C Presby) 2500 1500 VA
Frances G F Gutherie 38 F VA
Wm M Gutherie 16 M VA attended school
Ann E H Gutherie 15 F VA Attended School
Mary F Gutherie 10 F VA attended School
Charlie A Gutherie 8 M VA attended school
Walter S Gutherie 5 M VA
Prudence O Gutherie 3 F VA

1860: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
Westport, Jackson, Missouri, USA

STOCKTON HOUSEHOLD:
S L Stockton 43 F Housekeeper 1000RE 1750PE VA
Salie Guthrie 35 F 1750PE VA
Endora Wetzel 7 F MO attended school

1870: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
Westport, Jackson, Missouri, USA

STOCKTON HOUSEHOLD:
Susan Stockton 55 F W Keeping House 700RE 100PE VA
Sallie Guthrie 52 F W VA

1870: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
Jefferson, Saline County, Missouri, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
O Guthrie 52 M W CP Minister 700 400 VA
Frances Guthrie 40 F W Keeping House VA
Mary Guthrie 19 F W MO
James Guthrie 18 M W MO attended school
Walter Guthrie 15 M W MO attended school
Prudence Guthrie 12 F W MO attended school
Ida Guthrie 10 F W MO attended school

1880: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
Miami, Saline County, Missouri, USA

GUTHREY HOUSEHOLD:
O. Guthrey W M 61 married School Com. Co. VA VA VA
Francis Guthrey W F 60 wife married Keeps house VA VA VA
C A Guthrey W M 28 son single book seller MO VA VA
Mary Guthrey W F 30 daughter single school teacher MO VA VA
Walter Guthrey W M 25 son farm disabled MO VA VA
Ida Guthrey W F 19 daughter at home MO VA VA

1880: US FEDERAL CENSUS of MISSOURI
Walnut Street, Westport, Jackson, Missouri, USA

STOCKTON HOUSEHOLD:
Susan L Stockton W F 66 Widowed Keeping House VA VA VA
Sarah Guthrie W F 64 sister single At Home VA VA VA

1886: DEATH of DAUGHTER – SUSAN L (GUTHRIE) STOCKTON
12 October 1886 in Marshall, Saline County, Missouri, USA

Aged 76, Susan ‘dropped dead’ while making her bed one morning.

1896: DEATH of SON – OLIVER P GUTHRIE
18 September 1896 in Saline County, Missouri, USA


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