H: John Guthrie & Ann (MNU)

John Guthrie 1708IRE-1790PA & Ann (Hill or Emmons)
of Northern Ireland and Chester County, Pennsylvania, USA

CONTENTS:
Origin Theories
The Family of John Guthrie & Ann Hill
Historical Highlights
The Guthrie DNA Project


ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG2A BRANCH H

The overall Origin Theory for GFG2A is that they descend from the GUTHRIES of PITFORTHIE. All of the Laird’s sons were men of religion, only one of whom did not become an ordained minister. GFG2A-Branch G’s story indicates a relationship with this line of men, but not the exact connection. If true, the Pitforthie link could apply to all of the group’s branches, or only some of them if the overall common ancestor is further back.

The progenitors of three branches of Guthrie Family Group 2A possess signs of inherited genetic changes indicating a close shared ancestry. They were most likely brothers. James Guthrie (A), Robert Guthrie (E), & John Guthrie (H) are believed to be the sons of JOHN GUTHRIE & JANE STUART.

It is John Guthrie’s history that claims parents John Guthrie and Jane Stuart, and that is extended to Branches A and E. The father, John Guthrie, was reportedly a SCOTTISH COVENANTER who was forced to flee to Ireland due to religious persecution. Theoretically, he could be a son or grandson of the LAIRD of PITFORTHIE, which fits both G and H’s origin stories. Jane Stuart was said to be an Irish descendant of the ROYAL HOUSE of STUART. As far as I can tell, there is no documentation on either John Guthrie or Jane Stuart’s existence in Londonderry, but the YDNA supports the close ties between these three branches.


THE FAMILY of JOHN GUTHRIE & ANN HILL

JOHN GUTHRIE
Parents: John Guthrie & Jane Stuart
Born: 29 Jun 1708
Location: Northern Ireland
Marriage: Ann Hill, about 1735 in Pennsylvania
Occupation: Unknown
Death: 29 Jan 1790
Location: Oxford, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
Burial: Cochranville, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA


ANN (MNU – Hill vs Emmons?)
Parents: Unknown
Born: c1715
Location: Northern Ireland (unproven)
Sons: William, John, James
Daughters: Martha Ann, Elizabeth, Mary, Ann, Jane, Marjory, Abigail
Death: 1814
Location: Chester County, Pennsylvania, USA
Burial: Cochranville, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA
NOTES: Confused about Ann’s identity? Me too. If anyone has some concrete evidence about her ancestry, please let the rest us know. In ‘American Guthrie and Allied Families’ there is literally a blank line written in lieu of her maiden name. No original sources have been found listing her maiden name, however online trees persist in listing her as either Ann Hill or Ann Emmons. (I have gotten used to calling her Ann Hill, but I have not found documentation to support that use.)


CHILDREN:

WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1763PA-1803/4VA

William was born and grew up in Chester County, Pennsylvania. His marriage to Esther McClellan took place in 1759 in York, PA. Their seven children (John, Nancy, Ann, Daniel, William, Esther, and Polly) were born prior to their 1777 move to Augusta County, Virginia where they settled on land 3 miles west of Waynesboro. Esther died in 1794 prompting William Guthrie to sell his home to his son and move back to Pennsylvania. Two years later he was in Shenandoah County, Virginia and married for a second time to a 40 year old widow named Frances Young. Frankey’s maiden name was Haley. She had been married twice before. First to Alexander Wright, with whom she had 4 children, and second to Edwin Young. Her marriage to William Guthrie produced one son named Haley Guthrie, whose identity has been frequently confused in online records, but aY-DNA Match confirms GFG2 placement. William died in Shenandoah County, Virginia about 1803-1804. Frankey lived until 1835.

Children: 8
Sons: John Guthrie, Daniel Guthrie, William Guthrie, Haley Guthrie
Daughters: Nancy Guthrie, Ann Guthrie, Esther Guthrie, Polly Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes

Note: Site coordinator (GFG2A BranchA) has an autosomal DNA match with a descendant of William’s son William Guthrie.

MARTHA ANN GUTHRIE
1745PA-1825PA

Martha Ann Guthrie was born on 6 Feb 1745 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. She married Thomas Love at Faggs Manor Parish in Chester on 24 Feb 1768. They had 4 children: John, James, Robert and Ann. Thomas and Martha died within 9 days of each other on 20 and 29 Dec 1825 in West Fallowfield, Chester, Pennsylvania and are buried at Cochranville Cemetery.

Children: 4
Love Sons: John Love, James Love, Robert Love
Love Daughters: Ann Love

Family Finder Participants: No

ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
1746PA-1830VA

Elizabeth Guthrie was born on 10 Jul 1746 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. She married Hugh Gilkeson sometime before 1772 in Londonderry, Chester, PA. They had 3 sons and 3 daughters, all credited with Virginia births. They had moved to Augusta County, Virginia sometime after their marriage. The family were members of the Tinkling Spring Presbyterian Church in Fishersville, Augusta, Virginia. Hugh died in 1806 and Elizabeth in 1830.

Children: 6
Gilkeson Sons: David Gilkeson, William Gilkeson, James Gilkeson
Gilkeson Daughters: Margaret Gilkeson, Ann Gilkeson, Elizabeth Gilkeson

Family Finder Participants: Yes

JAMES GUTHRIE
1757PA-1773PA

Trees list that James Guthrie was born about 1757 in Chester County, PA, but that must be an underestimation of his DOB. He was listed as a Freeman on the Oxford Twp Tax records in 1767 and 1771, which means that he was a single man of at least 21 years old and not living in his father’s household. He married about 1772 to Sarah Love, the daughter of John Love. A DOB of 1757 would indicate that he was only 15 at the time, yet another reason to suspect that his DOB in 1757 is wrong. His DOD is also given as 26 Jun 1773, which may be accurate based on a 20 Jun 1775 Orphan’s Court record in Oxford, Chester, PA petitioning the court for the appointment of John Stewart as the guardian of Ann Guthery, daughter of James, decd of Oxford. His widow Sarah (Love) Guthrie remarried in 1782 to William Gilkeson. She died 27 Jun 1826 at the age of 73.

Children: 1
Sons: None
Daughters: Ann Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: N/A – No Direct Male Descendants
Family Finder Participants: No

MARY GUTHRIE
1747PA-1835OH

Mary Guthrie was born in 1747 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. She married Thomas McClellan there in 1764. This couple had 5 children born in Gettysburg, Adams, Pennsylvania. They may have spent time in Augusta, Virginia before moving to Cincinnati, Clermont, Ohio. Thomas died there in 1800 and Mary in 1835.

Children: 5
McClelland Sons: John McClelland, Daniel McClelland, Thomas Stanhope McClelland, James McClelland
McClelland Daughters: Nancy Agness McClelland

Family Finder Participants: No

Note: A descendant of Mary Guthrie has an autosomal DNA match with the site coordinator who is from GFG2A Branch A.

ANN GUTHRIE
c1749PA-p1779

This daughter was born about 1749. She married John Murphy on 4 Nov 1779 in York County, PA and thereafter moved to Virginia. No further data.

Children: Unknown

Family Finder Participants: No

JOHN GUTHRIE
1753PA-1820VA

John Guthrie was born in Chester County, Pennsylvania in 1753. He served as a private in Captain O’Mara’s Company, Maryland Troups after enlisting in March 1777. He was transferred to Captain Benjamin Brigg’s Company of the Virginia Troups in 1780 and was discharged from military service on 26 July 1783. He lived in Augusta County, Virginia after the Revolutionary war where he settled on lands adjoining his brother, William Guthrie. He was considered ‘eccentric’ and claiming that William’s lands infringed upon his own resulting in a lawsuit, which John lost. He married Margaret ‘Peggy’ Holmes. Marriage date unknown. They had 5 children.

Children: 5
Sons: John William Guthrie, James Guthrie
Daughters: Jane Guthrie, Betsy Guthrie, Ann Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: Yes

JANE GUTHRIE
1755PA-1787

Jane Guthrie was born in Chester County, Pennsylvania in 1755. She married Samuel Martin. They lived in Lancaster County, PA not far from the John Guthrie homestead. The couple had 3 children. Jane died in 1787. Alt. DOD 1800.

Children: 3
Martin Sons: James Martin, Samuel Martin
Martin Daughters: Sarah Martin

MARJORY GUTHRIE
c1759PA-180VA(WV)

Marjory Guthrie was born about 1759 in Chester County, PA. She married John Emmet in 1784 in Augusta County, Virginia. They were parents to at least 7 children: Abraham, Margaret, John, Anna, Mary, William Yates, and Rebecca. Marjory died in Wheeling in 1807. John remarried after her death to a Margaret Rush. They had 2 children: James and Margaret.

Children: 7
Emmet Sons: Abraham Emmett, John Emmett, William Yates Emmett
Emmet Daughters: Margaret Emmett, Anna Emmett, Mary Emmett, Rebecca Emmett

Family Finder Participants: No

ABIGAIL GUTHRIE
1762PA-1843PA

Abigail Guthrie was born on 1762 in Chester County, PA. She married Alexander Andrews. They owned the Guthrie homestead at Andrew’s Bridge. They had 2 sons and 6 daughters. Abigail died 18 Feb 1843 and Alexander 16 Jan 1846 at Andrew’s Bridge.

Children: 8
Andrews Sons: James Andrews, Alexander Andrews
Andrews Daughters: Phoebe Andrews, Ann Andrews, Eliza Jane Andrews, Mary Andrews, Martha Andrews, Abigail Jane Andrews

Family Finder Participants: No


HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

What we know about John Guthrie & his wife Ann comes chiefly from LRG’s ‘American Guthrie and Allied Families‘, pp.158-168.

EXCERPT:

JOHN GUTHRIE, of Oxford Township, Chester County, Pa., was undoubtedly related to, was most likely a brother of, SAMEUL GUTHRIE, of St. Georges hundred, New Castle County, Del. Both families were connected with the STUARTS and intercourse between them is revealed by JOHN appearing as a witness to the will of SAMUEL’S son, ROBERT, in 1750. “WIDOW GULTERIE,” a taxable in Londonderry Township, on the Chester County list of 1749, must have been the widow of SAMUEL, and “ROBERT GUTTERY,” of East Nottingham Township, 1749-1750, must have been their son, who died in 1750.

According to reliable tradition, the GUTHRIE ancestor, who left Scotland, was a zealous Covenanter. So devoted was he to that cause, so active in his opposition to the efforts of the Crown to force Prelacy upon Scotland, that Claverhouse, the Arch-Persecutor, set a price upon his head and hunted him from place to place. Finally making his way to the West Coast of Scotland, he, together with some of his followers, found a hidingplace in a cave, whence, seeking escape to Ireland, a sharp outlook was kept for passing vessels. At length a French ship was sighted, hailed, and as she hove to, the hunted men put out to her in a rowboat. Just at this juncture Chaverhouse with some of his troopers came galloping up and fired a volley at the escaping party. Fortunately they had gained a distance from the shore wellnigh out of musket range, and so, uninjured, made their getaway, landing in due time on the coast of Ireland.

The name of this Covenanter was JOHN GUTHRIE. He married, presumably somewhate later, JANE STUART, who was descended from the Royal House of Scotland. JOHN GUTHRIE, our subject, was their son. He was born in North Ireland, in 1708. He married there, ANN , and soon afterwards, about the year 1730, they emigrated to America, coming in the same boat with the GILKESONS and STEWARTS, whose descendants variously intermarried with theirs. They settled on the east side of the Octoraro Creek, (a stream forming a part of the boundary between Chester and Lancaster Counties, PA), at a place afterwards known as Andrews Bridge.

The name “JOHN GUTTRY,” appears on the tax list of Londonderry Township in 1734, and subsequently in the lists of taxables in that township on down to the formation of Oxford, after which it appears in the lists of that township. The name is variously spelled,in the 1737 list, it appears as “Gottere,” elsewhere as “Guttery,” “Gettery,” “Gutterei,” etc. These tax lists show that his estate consistently increased and that he ranked high among his neighbors in the amount of taxes paid.

JOHN GUTHRIE was a respected citizen, and he together with the members of his family were devout adherents of the Fagg’s Manor Presbyterian Church. He was for many years a ruling elder in it.

It does not appear that these GUTHRIES were identified with the movement, when the Covenants were renewed in America, at nearby Middle Octoraro, in 1743, but they were sympathetic with the Covenanters, sometimes entertaining their ministers in the home.

“JOHN GUTHREY died January 29, 1790, aged 81 years and 7 months.” “WIDOW GUTHREY was born 1715.”   

As with all of our branches, it is necessary to examine this Origin Story to determine how much of it is based in fact.

1708: BIRTH of JOHN GUTHRIE

According to the family Origin Story, John Guthrie is the son of John Guthrie and Jane Stuart. He was born in Northern Ireland on 29 June 1708. One source indicates the month of May rather than June. 

1715: BIRTH of ANN___________

“Widow Guthrey was born 1715.”

John Guthrie listed his wife as “Ann” in his last will and testament, but I have found no evidence of her maiden name. Her birthplace is also listed as Northern Ireland, which may be true, but again, there is no specific documentation to prove it.

Online trees have documented Ann with the surname of HILL.

There is also a Sons of the American Revolution Membership Application (SAR Member 49686) listing her as Ann EMMONS with a DOD of 1803. This application contains no documentation to support the origins of the surname.

Looking for evidence of her surname.

1730: EMIGRATION from IRELAND to AMERICA

This is an estimated date of arrival. LRG, p538 “William Gilkeson, of the North of Ireland, migrated to America about the year 1730, coming in the same ship with John Guthrie and wife.” This information seems to be based on oral family history rather than documented fact.

There is a 6-year gap between this 1730 estimate and the known DOB of John and Ann’s son William Guthrie in 1736. It seems possible that John & Ann’s marriage took place in Pennsylvania rather than Ireland.

1733: LAND SURVEY

The first documentation that we have attributed to this John Guthrie is a Land Survey dated 3 May 1733 for 200 acres in Chester County, Pennsylvania. {Warrantees of Land, County of Chester, 1733-1858 (Pa Arch Ser 3, Vol 24, p.75)} 

1734: TAX LIST of LONDONDERRY, CHESTER, PENNSYLVANIA

John Guttry appears on the tax list in 1734 and subsequently in the lists of taxables in that twp on down to the formation of Oxford, afterwhich he appears in the lists of that township. 

1736: BIRTH of SON, WILLIAM GUTHRIE (1736PA-1823KY) married 1st Esther McClelland. Parents of 3 boys and 4 girls. 2nd Frankey Young. William served in the 17th Regiment PA Continental Line after he had settled his family in Augusta County, Virginia. He died in Henry County, Kentucky on 10 March 1823. 

1737: LAND WARRANT

This is probably the warrant for the same land previously surveyed in 1733. “John Gutherah” obtained a Warrant of Survey for 200 acres of land on Octararo Creek, adj lands of James Harland, John Love, in “New” Londonderry Township. Oxford township was formed from the western end of Londonderry in 1754.

1740: EXECUTOR of ESTATE of THOMAS LUDDINGTOWNE

“John Guttry, executor,” so named in the will of Thomas Luddingtowne, signed 2 June 1740 and proved Dec 1 1742. {Lancaster Co Pa Wills, Liber A, No. 1, folio 75}

1743: PROPERTY PURCHASE (POSSIBILITY)

Guthry, John, 250 acres, Oct. 29, 1743 (Warrantees of land in Hanover township. {Hist. of Dauphin Co., PA, by Egle, p.27} 

1745: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, MARTHA GUTHRIE (1745PA-1825PA) married Thomas Love. 4 sons and 1 daughter. 

Note that there is a 9-year gap between William’s DOB and Martha’s. 

History of the Morrison Family: “Thomas Love lived on the farm in West Fallowfield, Chester Co., Pa., lying on the Octorara River, now known as the Pattie Ross farm. He married Martha Guthrie of Guthrie’s Ford, now known as Andrew’s Bridge. She was a sister of Abigail Andrews of Andrews Bridge; also a sister of Mrs. Samuel Martin who came from Londonderry, Ireland. She was blind for 20 years prior to her death on Dec. 23, 1825. The old arm chair in which she sat during those years of darkness, and the family Bible, are in possession of the family.”

Thomas Love, born 28 Jan 1739, died 20 Dec 1825, was a Revolutionary War Soldier, a 2nd lieutenant on the staff of Gen. Samuel Cochran. He was an Elder of Faggs Manor Church for more than 60 years. Thomas and Martha Guthrie Love are buried at (Faggs) Manor Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Cochranville, Chester, Pennsylvania. Plot: 154-E

1746: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, ELIZABETH GUTHRIE (1746PA-1830VA) married Hugh Gilkeson. Their daughter Margaret would marry her 1st cousin John Guthrie, son of William & Esther.

1747: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, MARY GUTHRIE (1747PA-1835) married Thomas McClelland, the brother of Esther McClelland (above).

1749: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, ANN GUTHRIE (b1749) married John Murphy. The Murphys moved to Virginia, presumably Augusta County where many of these Guthries emigrated for a time.

1750: WITNESS to WILL of ROBERT GUTHRIE

LRG credits this John Guthrie with being the witness to the Last Will and Testament of Robert Guthrie of St George’s Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware. He theorizes that John was the brother of Samuel Guthrie who was Robert’s father. Documentation has led this researcher to conclude that Samuel Guthrie is the most likely ancestor of Branch C, which would certainly fit with LRG’s theory of a relationship between Branch C’s Samuel and Branch H’s John.

ROBERT GUTHRIE’S WILL: “I give all I have to my mother Mary Guthrey, who is to be executrix.: Test: John Guthrey, John McCabe. Proved 13 Oct 1750. New Castle County, Del. Wills, liber G, folio 427) 

1752: PROPERTY PURCHASE

“20 May 1752. John Guthrie, 20 acres on Octoraro Creek, now the hotel property at Andrews Bridge” {Warrantees of Land in Coleraine township. (Hist. of Lancaster Co Pa., Ellis & Evans, 1883., p.729)} 

1753: PROPERTY PURCHASE

“15 Apr 1753. “John Guthrie, 20 acres next his other land.” {Warrantees of Land in Coleraine township. (Hist. of Lancaster Co Pa, Ellis & Evans, 1883, p.729)} 

1753: BIRTH of SON, JOHN GUTHRIE (1753PA-1820VA) married Margaret ‘Peggy’ Holmes. 1 son and 3 daughters. Emigrated to Augusta VA. (NEED DNA)

1754: OXFORD TOWNSHIP FORMATION

Oxford township was formed from the western end of Londonderry township. Landowners in 1754 included “John Guttery”. {SOURCE}

1755: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, JANE GUTHRIE (1755PA-1787PA) married Samuel Martin. They lived in Lancaster County, PA not far from the John Guthrie homestead.

1757: BIRTH of SON: JAMES GUTHRIE (1757PA-1773PA) married Sarah Love, daughter of John Love. 1 daughter. (No SONS = No Y-DNA for testing)

1758-1761: BIRTH of DAUGTHER: MARJORY GUTHRIE

LRG lists Marjory’s birth order before Abigail, but as he lists the children out of order there is no way to tell exactly when Marjory was born. No other information is given except her name. However, Marjory was listed in John Guthrie’s will, written in 1787, so we do know that she was living at that time. The final administration of John’s estate indicates that her husband’s name was John Emmet. A search for her husband’s side of the family turns up an Ancestry tree listing John Emmitt, born 22 Oct 1759 in Elkton, Cecil, Maryland, the son of Abraham Emmitt Jr and Rebecca Alexander. He married Margery Guthrie in 1784 in Augusta County, Virginia. She died in 1807 in Wheeling, (West) Virginia. He died in 1847 in Utica, Knox, Ohio. No DOB is given for Marjory in this file, but it is likely that  it was close to her husband’s birthdate, which is the range listed here.

1762: BIRTH of DAUGHTER, ABIGAIL GUTHRIE (1762PA-1842PA) married Alexander Andrews. 2 sons. They owned the Guthrie homestead at Andrews Bridge.

1765: LISTING of INHABITANTS in 1765

Listing of inhabitants in 1765 of Chester County Pennsylvania includes Gutery, Jn’o – Oxford.

1765: TAX RECORDS of OXFORD, CHESTER, PENNSYLVANIA

Gutery, Jno – 37 – Oxford – 70 acres – 2 horses – 2 cattle – 8 sheep – 0 slaves.

1774: LAND OWNERS of CHESTER COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA

List includes “John Guthrey”. {SOURCE

1774: CHESTER COUNTY RATES

Oxford Rate.

John Guthrey, 70 acres

1787: LAST WILL & TESTAMENT WRITTENWill Abstract of JOHN GUTHRIE of Oxford Township, Lancaster, Pennsylvania (1708-1790)
Source: LRG, Footnote 124, p.693
Abstract of the will of JOHN GUTHRIE, of Oxford township, which is dated May 16, 1787.

“To my wife ANN. . .”

“Entire estate to be sold and the proceeds to be divided among my nine children. Viz:–WILLIAM, MARY, ELIZABETH, MARTHA, ANN, JOHN, MARJORY, and ABIGAIL, and my grand-daughter, ANN GUTHERY, daughter to JAMES GUTHERY, deceased, in equal shares; My sons THOMAS LOVE and ALEXANDER ANDREWS, executors.”

Teste:–JOHN GARDNER, JAMES LOVE, ANDREW FLEMING. 
Proved Feb 16, 1790. (Chester County Pennsylvania Wills)

1790: DEATH of JOHN GUTHRIE

John died on 29 Jan 1790 in Oxford, Chester, Pennsylvania at 81 years 7 months of age. He is listed as being buried at Manor Presbyterian Church Cemetery (Faggs Manor), Cochranville, Chester, Pennsylvania, however I can not find him or his wife Ann on any published list of burials. A map of Faggs Manor cemetery graves does not list any Guthries.

1791: ADMINISTRATION of ESTATE
In the abstract of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Volume III, p.328, the above is made to read–“Grand-daughter, Ann Guthery, daughter to James, deceased.” Having consulted the Chester County records believe the above is correct. Of course the record itself is only a copy from the original. The testator devises to wife Ann, personal property such as bedding, (excepting certain articles the property of his daughter Jane), and 14 pounds annually for life. Jane is omitted from the list of children given in the will, presumably an oversight, as she received her share with the others in the distributions.

Thomas Love filed a partial account as executor, Sept 28, 1791, in which he takes credit for 33 pds. 6s. 8d paid to each of the following:–

” To Daniel McClellan, per order of thomas McClellan, in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To Daniel McClellan, per order from John Murphy in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To William Guthrey in part of his legacy.”

“To John Emmitt in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To John Boy per order of John Guthrey in part of his legacy.’

“To Samuel Martin in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To Thomas Love in part of legacy left to his wife.”

“To Alexander Andrews in part of his wife’s legacy.”

The final account of Thomas Love and Alexander Andrews as executors of the will was filed June 21, 1814. It shows the payments to Ann Guthery a Bond or Obligation, 107 pds. and five separate items of her annuity of 14 pds. per year, and an advancement of 10 pds by desire of the heirs; also expenses of nursing her above the annuity, of 12 pds.

The balance shown is then distributed as follows:–

” To William Guthrie (eldest son, entitled to two shares under the will) 129 pds, 12s 7d

“To Thos. McClellan, in right of his wife Mary 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Thos. Love in right of his wife Martha 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Hugh Gilkeson in right of his wife Elizabeth 81 pds 10s 1d

“To Alexander Andrews in right of his wife Abigail 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Murphy in right of his wife Ann 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Emmet in right of his wife Margery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Samuel Martin in right of his wife Jane 48 pds 3s 6d

“To John Guthery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Ann Guthery (a grand-daughter) 83 pds 9s 5d

Note:–Hugh Gilkeson and grand-daughter Ann did not participate in the first distribution, so their lots are almost double the others.

Thomas Love filed a partial account as executor, Sept 28, 1791, in which he takes credit for 33 pds. 6s. 8d paid to each of the following:–

” To Daniel McClellan, per order of thomas McClellan, in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To Daniel McClellan, per order from John Murphy in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To William Guthrey in part of his legacy.”

“To John Emmitt in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To John Boy per order of John Guthrey in part of his legacy.’

“To Samuel Martin in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To Thomas Love in part of legacy left to his wife.”

“To Alexander Andrews in part of his wife’s legacy.”

1814: ADMINISTRATION of ESTATE

The final account of Thomas Love and Alexander Andrews as executors of the will was filed June 21, 1814. It shows the payments to Ann Guthery a Bond or Obligation, 107 pds. and five separate items of her annuity of 14 pds. per year, and an advancement of 10 pds by desire of the heirs; also expenses of nursing her above the annuity, of 12 pds.

The balance shown is then distributed as follows:–

” To William Guthrie (eldest son, entitled to two shares under the will) 129 pds, 12s 7d

“To Thos. McClellan, in right of his wife Mary 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Thos. Love in right of his wife Martha 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Hugh Gilkeson in right of his wife Elizabeth 81 pds 10s 1d

“To Alexander Andrews in right of his wife Abigail 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Murphy in right of his wife Ann 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Emmet in right of his wife Margery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Samuel Martin in right of his wife Jane 48 pds 3s 6d

“To John Guthery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Ann Guthery (a grand-daughter) 83 pds 9s 5d

Note:–Hugh Gilkeson and grand-daughter Ann did not participate in the first distribution. 

The final account of Thomas Love and Alexander Andrews as executors of the will was filed June 21, 1814. It shows the payments to Ann Guthery a Bond or Obligation, 107 pds. and five separate items of her annuity of 14 pds. per year, and an advancement of 10 pds by desire of the heirs; also expenses of nursing her above the annuity, of 12 pds.

The balance shown is then distributed as follows:–

” To William Guthrie (eldest son, entitled to two shares under the will) 129 pds, 12s 7d

“To Thos. McClellan, in right of his wife Mary 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Thos. Love in right of his wife Martha 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Hugh Gilkeson in right of his wife Elizabeth 81 pds 10s 1d

“To Alexander Andrews in right of his wife Abigail 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Murphy in right of his wife Ann 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Emmet in right of his wife Margery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Samuel Martin in right of his wife Jane 48 pds 3s 6d

“To John Guthery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Ann Guthery (a grand-daughter) 83 pds 9s 5d

Note:–Hugh Gilkeson and grand-daughter Ann did not participate in the first distribution. 

1814: DEATH of ANN (HILL?) GUTHRIE

According to LRG’s American Guthrie and Allied Families, the “Widow Guthrey” was born in 1715. It does not list a date of death, however the administration of John Guthrie’s estate suggest that she was still alive on 21 June 1814.

In the abstract of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Volume III, p.328, the above is made to read–“Grand-daughter, Ann Guthery, daughter to James, deceased.” Having consulted the Chester County records believe the above is correct. Of course the record itself is only a copy from the original. The testator devises to wife Ann, personal property such as bedding, (excepting certain articles the property of his daughter Jane), and 14 pounds annually for life. Jane is omitted from the list of children given in the will, presumably an oversight, as she received her share with the others in the distributions.

Thomas Love filed a partial account as executor, Sept 28, 1791, in which he takes credit for 33 pds. 6s. 8d paid to each of the following:–

” To Daniel McClellan, per order of thomas McClellan, in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To Daniel McClellan, per order from John Murphy in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To William Guthrey in part of his legacy.”

“To John Emmitt in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To John Boy per order of John Guthrey in part of his legacy.’

“To Samuel Martin in part of his wife’s legacy.”

“To Thomas Love in part of legacy left to his wife.””To Alexander Andrews in part of his wife’s legacy.”

The final account of Thomas Love and Alexander Andrews as executors of the will was filed June 21, 1814. It shows the payments to Ann Guthery a Bond or Obligation, 107 pds. and five separate items of her annuity of 14 pds. per year, and an advancement of 10 pds by desire of the heirs; also expenses of nursing her above the annuity, of 12 pds.

The balance shown is then distributed as follows:–

” To William Guthrie (eldest son, entitled to two shares under the will) 129 pds, 12s 7d

“To Thos. McClellan, in right of his wife Mary 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Thos. Love in right of his wife Martha 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Hugh Gilkeson in right of his wife Elizabeth 81 pds 10s 1d

“To Alexander Andrews in right of his wife Abigail 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Murphy in right of his wife Ann 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Jno. Emmet in right of his wife Margery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Samuel Martin in right of his wife Jane 48 pds 3s 6d

“To John Guthery 48 pds 3s 6d

“To Ann Guthery (a grand-daughter) 83 pds 9s 5d

Note:–Hugh Gilkeson and grand-daughter Ann did not participate in the first distribution. 


THEIR STORY

JOHN GUTHRIE was most likely the son of JOHN GUTHRIE and JANE STUART as claimed by his origin story. There is no documentation to support the claim one way or another, but there is also nothing to suggest it to be false.

Y-DNA evidence links this line to Guthrie Family Group 2A, and specifically to the lineages of Branches A and E because of shared genetic mutations. These indicate a probable close shared ancestor between A, E, and H, likely a father.

Rumors of John Guthrie being one of 7 brothers who came to America remains unproven. Although there are plenty of GFG2A lineages with ties to Northern Ireland, the Y-DNA results prove a group relationship rather than a close familial one for the other branches.


GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG2A
Group Designation: Branch H – Cluster 5 (Guthrie-Stuart)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-Z30233

YDNA Matches: 2
Kit 224370
John Guthrie/Ann Hill > William Guthrie/Esther McClellan > John Guthrie/Margaret Gilkeson > John Gilkeson Guthrie/Adeline Barclay Paxton > Walter Craig Guthrie Sr/Ruth Brashear Shreve > William Shreve Guthrie Sr/Katie H Herlitz (GGP)

Kit 855561
John Guthrie/Ann Hill > William Guthrie/Frances ‘Franky’ Haley > Haley Guthrie/Frances Allen > William Guthrie/Sarah Hartman > Robert M Kile Guthrie/Ann G Hill > Early Clinton Guthrie/Bessie Virginia Seymour (GGP) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:  4

Kit 306890
John Guthrie/Ann Hill > William Guthrie/Esther McClellan > John Guthrie/Margaret Gilkeson* > Matilda Guthrie/George Evans Craig > Caroline Elizabeth Craig/John Woods Warwick > Margaret Ellen Warwick/James B Lockridge (GGP) // ALSO: John Guthrie/Ann Hill > Elizabeth Guthrie > Margaret Gilkeson*

Kit 391337
John Guthrie/Ann Hill > Elizabeth Guthrie/Hugh Gilkeson > Ann Gilkeson/James Craig > Elizabeth Gilkeson Craig/Allen Hall > Elizabeth Hardin Hall/Samuel Cox Markoe > Anabel Allen Markoe/Hubert Charles Ferris > Virginia Markoe Ferris/Redmond A Stevens (GGP)

Kit 435530
John Guthrie/Ann Hill > Elizabeth Guthrie/Hugh Gilkeson > Ann Gilkeson/James Craig > Elizabeth Gilkeson Craig/Allen Hall > Elizabeth Hardin Hall/Samuel Cox Markoe > Anabel Allen Markoe/Hubert Charles Ferris (GGP)

Kit 452876
John Guthrie/Ann Hill > Elizabeth Guthrie/Hugh Gilkeson > Ann Gilkeson/James Craig > Elizabeth Gilkeson Craig/Allen Hall > Elizabeth Hardin Hall/Samuel Cox Markoe (GGP)


FINDINGS:

John Guthrie had 3 sons: William, John, James.
Participants in the Y-DNA Project represent William’s line only.

Cluster 5 (Guthrie-Stuart) is a project designation.

Branches A, E, and H share a genetic mutation at DYS534=14 (Group Mode=15).

This shared mutation shows a Pattern of Inheritance and suggest closer familial ties than with the overall group. Because all three branch progenitors are from Ireland or specifically the Londonderry area of Northern Ireland and have birthdates within the space of a generation it is possible that they are brothers having inherited the unique mutation from their father.


5 Comments »

  1. Hi Ann!

    I believe I am descended from John and Ann Guthrie.

    Their daughter Marjory married John Emmett, Sr., my 5th great grandparents. I just started exploring my Guthrie line further back than Chester County PA.

    While researching my Leslie line I discovered several connections with Guthries. My George Leslie also came to Chester County PA from Scotland/Northern Ireland, but in the 1750s. I have also uncovered several Leslie/Guthrie connections in Scotland, including a couple of marriages. I wonder if that connection continued into Northern Ireland and PA. My Leslies were also staunch Protestants (shoot, two were involved in the assassination of a Cardinal!) Even more curious is that one of the witnesses on George’s naturalization application (PA 1798) was a James Guthrie.

    Anyway, thank you so much for your research. I am delving in as soon as I have some time (meaning, this weekend). Sorry for the book. I don’t have anyone to talk about this stuff with, lol

    Kelly Mecifi

    Liked by 1 person

    • Hi Cousin Kelly — It is very common for families within the same region or religious congregation to move together to new locations. They also had a tendency to intermarry. As you’ve discovered, you can also find clues about the identity of those other relations when examining the names of witnesses, bondsmen, securities, etc. We have such a gap in the Irish records that any little clue could be the only break we’re going to get. The Scottish archives can be hit or miss depending on the specific location and era. Records from the 1600s need a secret decoder ring or certainly some luck to translate. Anything from the 1700s is usually legible, but there is a huge variety of detail. You either get the very basics or you might get lucky and find that the witnesses are not only named, but their relationship is included. The Statutory Records are full of awesome details.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Hello again cousin!

        Yes, I’ve discovered Ireland is tricky on the records. I have been researching the Scottish side for a while and hadn’t even considered Ireland. Am reading a lot about the Scots-Irish now, lol. I do have more ancestors from Northern Ireland on other lines and it’s time to tackle their origins too (easier than the Norwegians and their naming patterns!). Thankfully I work in a library with a great geni room in an area of NC settled heavily by Scots and Scots-Irish. Some good resources to get me started. Thanks so much for the ideas! I have been planning a trip to Scotland in a couple of years. I may have to add a stop in Northern Ireland too.

        Kelly

        Liked by 1 person

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s