GUTHRIES of AYRSHIRE, SCT / PA / VA / NZ
This group has several American lineages stemming back to colonial times without definitive proof of their ancestral connections on this side of the water. Recent matches have provided interesting clues that may help bridge those family ties to Scotland. A Guthrie from New Zealand is the group’s newest match, although the DNA does show a more distant connection between that participant and the other men in GFG3A. The furthest known ancestor of our NZ participant was born in Scotland in 1763. Another key match is to a descendant of Thomas Guthrie & Janet Doig of Scotland.
GFG3A members have theorized that its American lineages may originate with Francis Guthrie born in Ireland c1710 and died in Pennsylvania (or Virginia or Tennessee). If you consider Francis Guthrie settled in colonial Pennsylvania in the 1730s, the most recent common ancestor between Francis Guthrie and the NZ line’s ancestor would have been born no earlier than the late 1600s.
The most common surname matches for this group are Guthrie, Gray, and Gossett.
CLAIM TO FAME
LINEAGES ASSOCIATED with GFG3A
- Descendants of Robert Guthrie 1727PA-1789VA & Esther Giles
- Descendants of John Guthrie c1760SCT?/VA & Mary Fuller
- Descendants of James Guthrie c1775-1850VA & Elizabeth Casdorph
- Descendants of Alexander Guthrie 1777/8PA-1850IN & Eleanor (MNU)
- Descendants of Robert Guthrie 1777VA-1853OH & Frances Fowler
- Descendants of William Guthrie 1763SCT-1844SCT & Ann Hunter
Robert Guthrie was born in 1727, possibly in Ireland or Pennsylvania. He was possibly a son of Francis Guthrie of Colerain Twp, Lancaster County, PA. A Robert Guttery appeared on a 1756 Tax list for Colerain Twp just beneath the entry for Francis. ‘American Guthrie and Allied Families’ author Laurence R. Guthrie theorized a father and son relationship between the two.
His marriage to Esther Giles most likely took place in PA, and the family later moved to Maryland where Robert jointed the Maryland Militia in Elizabeth Town (Elizabeth Hundred). The family was enumerated in the 1776 census of Frederick County, Maryland. Robert’s records for the next 12 years are found in Rockbridge County, VA, and Washington County, Maryland.
Was there really an Ireland connection, or is that just rumor based on Robert’s theorized connection to Francis Guthrie and Francis Guthrie’s theorized connection to Guthrie Family Group 2?
John Guthrie was born about 1756. Project members identify John Guthrie as the son of Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles. His marriage to Mary Fuller is reported to have taken place in Virginia about 1783, an estimate based on the birth of their eldest son. Our two participants from this line descend from their son William Guthrie 1794VA-1876IN & Elizabeth Rigney.
James Guthrie was born about 1775/6. One family biographical sketch tells us that his parents were Andrew Guthrie & Mary Robertson. The book lists no source for the family data, which sheds some doubt on its veracity. The connection requires verification. Census data indicates that James Guthrie was born in Maryland, and that location is among other GFG3A residences.
James married Elizabeth Casdorph (written as James Gullory and Elizabeth Castor in the marriage record) in Kanawha County, Virginia (Now WV) and permanent settled there. They appear to have had 9 children: Henson, Elijah, Mary, Nancy, Martha, Sarah, James, John, and Julia Ann.
Alexander Guthrie was born about 1777-1778 in Pennsylvania. His wife was Eleanor Amis. This family was located in Kentucky by 1803. They lived in Mason County, Kentucky and should not be mistaken for the Alexander Guthrie family living in Woodford, Kentucky. Moving to Ohio by 1830, the family moved again by 1840 to Marion County, Indiana.
Robert Guthrie was born in Virginia about 1778. He married Frances Fowler, and they had 6 known sons and 1 daughter. Their son Preston Guthrie 1816-1866 is the ancestor of our project participant. Robert & Frances resided in Cabell County, Virginia. The family moved to Lawrence County, Ohio after the 1850 census.
This lineage is unique within the project as its path originated in Scotland and immigrated to New Zealand. The furthest proven ancestor is William Guthrie born 1763 SCT, and died 29 May 1844 in Auchans House, Ayrshire, Scotland. He was twice married.
Wife#1: Ann Hunter
Children: George, John William, Ann, Margaret, and James
Wife #2: Jacobina McClure
Children: George, Agnes, Robert, Jacobina, and David
The line of our participant continues via William & Ann’s son William Guthrie b1791 & Susan Good, to their son James Guthrie b1814 & Isabella Mcintyre, to their son Robert Guthrie b1857 before leaving Scotland for New Zealand in the late 1870s.
The newest member of Guthrie Family Group 3A is a man with Gray ancestry. He is one of several by that name who have matching DNA with men from this group, and it is the most common alternate surname among the DNA matches. This suggests a paternal event or adoption indicating that the Gray family probably has some Guthrie DNA, or that this Guthrie Family Group actually carried Gray DNA. Two of his Gray matches trace their Gray paternal ancestry back to Bangor, Down County, Northern Ireland.
The introduction of the SCT-NZ line may provide a new direction for research for Guthrie Family Group 3A. The challenge is that William Guthrie of Scotland is of approximately the same generation as some of the earlier branch progenitors in VA and PA. This means that the common ancestor between him and the rest of the group ancestors is even further back.
The biographical sketch on the family of James Guthrie identifies a set of parents: Andrew Guthrie & Mary Robertson, but does it have any basis in fact? If it does, there may be 2 additional generations. Andrew’s parents were David Guthrie & Jean Clark and grandparents Thomas Guthrie & Janet Doig. Thomas, who was born in the 1600s, could potentially be a common ancestor to the American and New Zealand lineages.
There is also a potential path for an alternate American connection. See the discussion in the GFG3A – Branch D comment section. Early Kanawha, VA Tax Records reveal the presence of a John Guthrie, who is found listed there at or about the same time as James (Guthrie-Casdorph), Robert (Guthrie-Fowler), and Alexander (Guthrie-Amis). Could John Guthrie be their mutual father? If so, could this John Guthrie be the son of Robert (Guthrie-Giles) or William (Guthrie-Hunter)? The time frame is about right for either option, but John, son of Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles, was living in the MD/VA area while William’s family was (as far as is known) still in Scotland.
RESEARCH CREDIT & DISCUSSIONS