E: Robert Guthrie & Francis Fowler

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG3A BRANCH E

Robert Guthrie 1778VA-1855OH & Frances Fowler
of Cabell, Virginia and Lawrence, Ohio

All of the Guthrie Family Group 3A branches share a common paternal ancestor. There are 2 branches with a major foothold in Scotland in Angus and Ayrshire. That common tie is most likely found in Scotland either in one of those regions, or in whatever region of Scotland those branches originated.

Before we can make the leap across the Atlantic, there are some options closer to home in the search for Robert Guthrie’s parents. There is one set of candidates that is an (almost) perfect fit. GFG3A’s Branch B progenitors are Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles. They had a son, Robert Guthrie, who was 6 years old at the time of the 1776 Colonial Census of Maryland. Robert Jr’s inheritance included some property. He and his brother Richard sold the land, located in Rockbridge County, Virginia, in 1794. After that date, there is no sign of Robert Guthrie Jr in the records.

The records for Robert Guthrie & Frances Fowler pick up in Barboursville, Cabell County, Virginia in 1820. There is an 8-year difference in Robert’s age. Whereas Robert & Esther’s son was already 6 years old in 1776, this man was born about 1778. He is listed as 60-69 in 1840 (born 1771-1780, and is listed as 72 years of age in 1850 (born 1778). His tombstone indicates he was 76 at his death in 1855. This Robert Guthrie also indicated his birth location was Virginia, whereas Robert & Esther’s son was born in Maryland.

Colonial records can be a little sketchy when it comes to dates and locations and the next generation sometimes gets the info a little bit wrong. Placing Robert Guthrie & Francis Fowler into Branch B would actually be a good fit. It’s just not a perfect fit, and there are currently no other known forms of documentation to connect Robert to other individuals from that branch.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG3A
Group Designation: Branch E – (The Guthries of VA/OH)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-BY12113


YDNA Matches: 1

Kit 129769 (Big-Y / +FF)
Robert Guthrie/Frances Fowler >Preston Guthrie/Eleanor Spouse > Charles Guthrie/Mary Jane Brammer (GGP) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits: 3

Kit 180186
Robert Guthrie/Frances Fowler > No Further Lineage Provided

Kit 387765
Robert Guthrie/Frances Fowler >Preston Guthrie/Eleanor Spouse (GGP) +more

Kit B108151
Robert Guthrie/Frances Fowler > William Guthrie/Mary Marks > Abigail Guthrie/Tilden Welch > William Louis Welch/Emma E Kennedy (GGP)


Findings:

Our Y-DNA participant for Kit 129769 has tested at the Big-Y level, which confirms the Haplogroup for GFG3A as well as links him to the rest of the men in the group. He has only 1 genetic variance compared to the Group Mode DNA, which is unique to himself. DYS710 = 36 instead of 35. The volume of group participants is only 7, with only 3 of them participating at the Y111 level, so there is not a lot of data for comparison. The closest match within the results at the Y67 level is a descendant of John Guthrie & Mary Fuller. John is one of the sons of Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles.

THE FAMILY of ROBERT GUTHRIE & FRANCES FOWLER

ROBERT GUTHRIE
Born: 1778
Location: Virginia
Married: Frances Fowler, estimated c1806 in Virginia, USA
Occupation: Farmer
Death: 17 June 1855
Location: Lawrence, Lawrence, Ohio, USA
Buried: Guthrie Cemetery #2, Rome, Proctorville, Ohio, USA


FRANCES FOWLER
Born: 1784
Location: Virginia
Sons: John Guthrie, James Guthrie, William Guthrie, Preston Guthrie, Lewis Guthrie, Edward Guthrie
Daughters: Almeda Guthrie
Death: 2 February 1866
Location: Lawrence County, Ohio, USA
Buried: Guthrie Cemetery #2, Rome, Proctorville, Ohio, USA


CHILDREN:

JOHN GUTHRIE
1807VA-1888OH

John Guthrie was born about 1807. He was born in Cabell County, which was part of Virginia at the time, later West Virginia. He married Hannah Ansel in Cabell County on 12 Dec 1852. They moved to Rome, Lawrence, Ohio soon after that. Their children’s birthplaces are all listed as Ohio. John died in Rome, Lawrence County, OH of pneumonia when he was 81 years old on 9 Feb 1888. He was buried in Rome Cemetery (Old Part). His widow Hannah died in 1900.

Children: 7
Sons: Albert Marion Guthrie
Daughters: Emma Adeline Guthrie, Mahala Ann Catherine Guthrie, Sarah Jane Guthrie, Lillie May Guthrie, Florence Guthrie, Zella Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JAMES GUTHRIE
1812VA-1902OH

James Guthrie was born on 31 January 1812 in Virginia. He was living with his brother Preston and family during the 1850 census in Cabell. In 1860, he was the head of household that included Almeda, presumably his sister, and an 8 year old girl named Josephine, who is the daughter of his brother Edward Guthrie, and his widowed mother, Frances Guthrie.

James Guthrie married 19 April 1863 in Lawrence County, OH to Hester Bassett. The family lived in Rome, Lawrence, Ohio. James died in that county on 14 July 1902. Hester followed him in death 18 years later passing on 6 April 1920.

Online trees list James’ middle name as Buchannon, but I have not found a documented source for that info.

Children: 7
Sons: James Bennett Guthrie, Franklin Pierce Guthrie
Daughters: Flora Guthrie, Emma Guthrie, Myrtle Ruth Guthrie
Unidentified Infants: 2

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1815VA – Unknown (After 1870)

William Guthrie was born in Virginia (now West Virginia) about 1815. His marriage to Mary Marks took place on 16 May 1841 in Lawrence County, Ohio. The ceremony was performed by Phonehas D Hull, Justice of the Peace. They originally lived in Cabell County, Virginia (1850) and then by 1860 were living in Wayne County, Virginia. They moved to Greenup, KY by 1870, which is the last census record I have found for William. Looking at the census records for the children 1880 seems to be a time when they are all moving in different directions, so it is possible that William & Mary were living somewhere else in 1880.

Children: 6
Sons: William Henry Guthrie, John Robert Guthrie
Daughters: Abigail Guthrie, Almedia Adeline Guthrie, Eustalia Frances Guthrie, Cordelia Anna Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: Yes


PRESTON GUTHRIE
1816VA-1866OH

Preston Guthrie is a name that has persisted in the Guthrie-Fowler family along more than one descendant line. Preston was born on 29 July 1816 in Cabell County, Virginia (now WV). His marriage to Eleanor ‘Ellen’ Sprouse took place on 20 Sep 1846 in Lawrence County, Ohio. During the 1850 census, they were living in Cabell County, VA, and his brothers John and James were living with them at the time. They moved to Rome, Lawrence, OH by 1860. Preston died there on 18 August 1866. Ellen died 9 September 1880.

Children: 10
Sons: Charles Guthrie, Robert R Guthrie, Warren Guthrie, Allen Guthrie, Edmund Olen Guthrie, Preston Guthrie
Daughters: Mary Ellen Guthrie, Frances Guthrie, Sarah Guthrie, Annie Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


LEWIS GUTHRIE
1818VA-1892OH

Lewis Guthrie was born on 5 April 1818 in Cabell County, VA (now WV). He was twice married. First, to Hannah White on 20 Feb 1850 in Lawrence, OH. Hannah died in 1856, no known children. Lewis remarried on 25 Feb 1863 to Arabella Gillette. They had 2 daughters, but she died in 1870. Lewis was a carpenter. He died in Ohio on 21 Nov 1892.

Children: 2
Sons: None
Daughters: Laura B ‘Lula’ Guthrie, Grace Guthrie

Family Finder Participants: No


ALMEDA GUTHRIE
1819VA-1892OH

Almeda Guthrie was born on 6 March 1819 in Cabell County, VA (now WV). During the 1850 census, she was 26 years old, and the only child still living with her parents, Robert & Frances, in Cabell County. Her father died in 1855, and during the 1860 census both she and her mother Frances were living with her unmarried brother, James Guthrie, along with their orphaned niece, Josephine.

Some of the family was living in Greenup County, Kentucky during the 1870s, so she may be the Almeda Bocock, seamstress, living in the Welsh household. They were next door neighbors to her brother William Guthrie and family. The timing is right for a Civil War era marriage / death. Almeda died on 10 March 1892 in Lawrence County, Ohio, USA having apparently returned to Ohio from Kentucky. No known children.


EDWARD GUTHRIE
1825VA-Unknown (1850-1869)

Edward Guthrie was the youngest child of the family, but he was the first of his siblings to die. He was born about 1825 in Cabell County, Virginia (Now WV). His marriage to Martha White took place on 17 February 1850 in Lawrence County, Ohio. They were listed living in the household of William McKnight. Edward was a shoemaker. Edward died sometime between 1850 and 1869.

Martha remarried on 18 April 1869 in Lawrence, OH to William Eckhart, a German immigrant. As with many second marriages, children from the first marriage lived with relatives. Daughter Josephine Guthrie is found with her paternal grandmother, Frances Guthrie, uncle, James Guthrie, aunt Almeda Guthrie in 1860, and remained in her uncle’s household at least until she was 18 (1870). Daughter Viola Guthrie was living with her mother and stepfather in Rome, Lawrence, Ohio during the 1870 census.

Children: 2
Sons: None
Daughters: Josephine Guthrie, Viola Augusta Guthrie

Family Finder Participants: No

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1778: BIRTH of ROBERT GUTHRIE
Virginia, USA

If Robert Guthrie is the son of Robert Guthrie & Esther Giles, his DOB would actually be about 1770. The 1778 DOB is taken from his age during the 1850 census and tombstone.

1784: BIRTH of FRANCES FOWLER
Virginia, USA

1801: TAX LIST
Kanawha County, Virginia (now WV)

Categories: Person, White Males Over 16, Slaves Over 12, Slaves Over 16, Horses, Stud Horses, Ordinary Licenses, Store Licenses

Guthrie, John 2 White Males Over 16; 1 Horse
Guthrie, Robert 1 White Male Over 16
Guthrie, James 1 White Male Over 16

1802: TAX LIST
Kanawha County, Virginia (now WV)

About 1806: MARRIAGE of ROBERT GUTHRIE & FRANCES FOWLER
Virginia, presumably

1807: BIRTH of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE
Virginia, USA, presumably Kanawha County

1809: FORMATION of CABELL COUNTY, VIRGINIA (Now WV)

Cabell County, Virginia was created in 1809 from the western part of Kanawha County and named for William H Cabell, governor of Virginia from 1805-1808.

“Throughout the 1800s, Cabell County’s location along the Ohio River made it a natural resting place for settlers headed to the frontier lands in the west. Prior to the Civil War (1861-1865), many settlers followed primitive Indian trails to the west. Several of these trails passed through the county. On the advice of George Washington, Virginia commissioned the James River Company to upgrade these trails into roads. One of the company’s largest and most important road project was the James River and Kanawha Turnpike. The turnpike traversed the frontier from Lexington, Kentucky to Charleston, Virginia. In 1814, the road was extended to Barboursville in present-day Cabell County.” (SOURCE)

1811: TAX LIST
Kanawha County, Virginia (Now WV)

Robert Guthrie continues to be listed on the early Kanawha County Tax Lists between 1801 and 1811.

1812: BIRTH of SON – JAMES GUTHRIE
Cabell County, Virginia, USA, presumably

1815: BIRTH of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Cabell County, Virginia, USA, presumably

1816: BIRTH of SON – PRESTON GUTHRIE
Cabell County, Virginia, USA, presumably

1818: BIRTH of SON – LEWIS GUTHRIE
Cabell County, Virginia, USA, presumably

1819: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ALMEDA GUTHRIE
Cabell County, Virginia, USA, presumably

1820: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Barboursville, Cabell, Virginia, USA

Robert Guttery is listed as a Head of Household, but his family is not enumerated.

1825: BIRTH of SON – EDWARD GUTHRIE
Cabell County, Virginia, USA

1830: RESIDENCE UNKNOWN

I do not find Robert Guthrie listed in the 1830 census for Cabell County, Virginia.

1840: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Cabell County, Virginia, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
1M 60-69, 1F 50-59, 1M 30-39, 4M 20-29, 1M & 1F 15-19, 1M 10-14.
5 in Agriculture.
3 in Navigation of Canals, Lakes & Rivers.

1850: US CENSUS of VIRGINIA
Cabell County, Virginia, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD: Robert 72 farmer VA; Frances 66 VA; Almida 26 VA. Next door to households of Preston & Wm Guthrie, both of whom either married women from OH or had 1 or more children born in OH.

1855: DEATH of ROBERT GUTHRIE
Lawrence County, Ohio, USA on 17 June 1855

1860: US CENSUS of OHIO
Rome, Lawrence County, Ohio, USA

GUTHRIE HOUSEHOLD:
James Guthrie 48 Farmer 2300Real Estate 575 Personal Estate, born Ohio
Almeda Guthrie 38 born Virginia
Josephine Guthrie 8 born Ohio
Frances Guthrie 77 born Virginia
Same page as Preston Guthrie household, John Guthrie household.

1866: DEATH of FRANCES (FOWLER) GUTHRIE
Lawrence County, Ohio, USA on 2 February 1866

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