E: James C Guthrie & Caroline Guthrie

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG5 BRANCH E

James C Guthrie 1803NC-Bef.1850NC & Caroline Guthrie
of Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

Did James C Guthrie marry a cousin from his own extended family clan, or did he come to Carteret County, North Carolina from another unrelated Guthrie Family Group?

The answer to this question may provide us with revelations for all of the Guthrie Family Group 5 branches.

The Guthries of Carteret County, North Carolina have a history of marrying their cousins on all sides of the family. It simply means that once settled in the area they tended to remain living within the region. James C Guthrie married in Carteret County, North Carolina, in 1828, and we are told was also born there. If the latter is true, there is an increased possibility that he shares a common Guthrie ancestor with his wife, Caroline Guthrie, who was the daughter of Benjamin Guthrie (1781-1840) & Hannah Paretree. Her grandparents were Samuel Guthrie Jr & Bell (MNU), great-grandparents Samuel Guthrie & Sarah Williston, and 2xGGP Daniel Guthrie & Mary Little.

One of our Y-DNA participants is a direct descendant of Samuel Guthrie & Sarah Williston, but the results are a genetic mismatch to any Guthrie Family Group. Instead, the surname matches are to men of the Willis and Williston surname. This could be related to an adoption of a stepson, a relative of Sarah Williston, or a non-paternal event relating to someone of that surname or its variants. We don’t have enough participants from the line to determine if it is an isolated result or if the genetic profile extends to the whole line.

If it does extend to all of Samuel & Sarah’s descendants, this means that James C Guthrie must either descend from one of Samuel’s brothers or be completely unrelated to their Guthrie family. Again, not enough genetic evidence to support or debunk the theory.

For now, GFG5 Branch E refers to the descendants of James C Guthrie & Caroline Guthrie, and does not extend to the remainder of the Carteret families.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG5
Group Designation: Branch E – (The Guthries of Carteret County, NC)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-M269


YDNA Matches: 1
Kit B293136 (+FF)
James C Guthrie/Caroline Guthrie* > Canulem Hines Guthrie/Susan Jane Robinson > Ernest R Guthrie/Rosa May Springle (GGP) +more //
ALSO:
Ungrouped Guthrie Family – Daniel Guthrie/Mary Little > Samuel Guthrie/Sarah Williston > Samuel Guthrie/Unidentified Bell > Benjamin Guthrie/Hannah Paretree > Caroline Guthrie*


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
None


Findings:

Let’s call this one too soon to tell.

Our participant matches Guthrie Family Group 5, but is he a descendant of Daniel Guthrie & Mary Little or not?

We need more descendants of Daniel & Mary (Little) Guthrie to participate in Y-DNA testing in order to determine their group origins.

THE FAMILY of JAMES C GUTHRIE & CAROLINE GUTHRIE

JAMES C GUTHRIE
Born: 16 June 1803
Location: Carteret County, North Carolina, USA (reportedly)
Married: Caroline Guthrie on 18 July 1828 in Carteret County, NC
Occupation: Unknown
Died: 1845-1850
Location: Beaufort, Carteret, North Carolina, USA
Buried: Unknown, presumably in Carteret County, North Carolina, USA


CAROLINE GUTHRIE
Born: 26 October 1809
Location: Carteret County, North Carolina, USA
Sons: Canulem Hines Guthrie, Benjamin Franklin Guthrie, Christopher Francis Guthrie, 3 other unidentified sons
Daughters: Keturia Guthrie, Charity Guthrie, 2 other unidentified daughters
Died: 30 June 1868
Location: Beaufort, Carteret, North Carolina, USA
Buried: Old Burying Ground, Beaufort, Carteret, North Carolina, USA


KNOWN CHILDREN:

KETURIA GUTHRIE
1836NC-Unknown

Keturia Guthrie was born about 1836 in North Carolina. She was 16 during the 1850 census and living with the family. No further info.


CANULEM HINES GUTHRIE
1838NC-1906NC

Children: 3
Sons: Ernest R Guthrie, Walter James Guthrie, Canelium Clarence Guthrie
Daughters: None

Canulem Hines Guthrie was born on 3 November 1838 in North Carolina. He married twice. First to Sarah P Popes. No known children. She died within a year of their marriage. Secondly to Susan Jane Robinson by whom he had 3 sons. They resided in Beaufort, Carteret County, North Carolina. He died on 17 April 1906 and is buried at Saint Pauls Episcopal Church Cemetery in Beaufort.

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: No


BENJAMIN FRANKLIN GUTHRIE
1839NC-1917NC

Benjamin Franklin Guthrie was born in Carteret County, North Carolina on 15 November 1839. He married Maria Helen Moore on 25 January 1866. They lived in Morehead City. Maria died on 18 July and Benjamin on 15 November of 1917.

Children: 8
Sons: Asa W Guthrie, Divine F Guthrie
Daughters: Charlotte Maria Guthrie, Hittie W Guthrie, Virginia Guthrie, Helen Guthrie, Ethel Guthrie, Edith Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


CHARITY GUTHRIE
1843NC-AFTER 1880NC

Charity Guthrie was born 5 February 1843 in Carteret County, North Carolina. She married Samuel M Nixon, a laborer, on 9 March 1874. The 1880 census shows them with 1 son.

Children: 1
Sons: Edward
Daughters: None

Family Finder Participants: No


CHRISTOPHER FRANCIS GUTHRIE
1845NC-1914NC

Christopher Francis Guthrie was born in Morehead City, Carteret County, North Carolina on 22 February 1845. He lived in Beaufort during his youth. Christopher married Britanna Midyette on 28 Jan 1873. They lived in Lake Landing, Hyde, North Carolina where they raised their 7 children. He died at Lake Landing on 26 Jun 1914.

Children: 7
Sons: Guy Moore Guthrie, Cecil Samuel Guthrie, Hubert Benjamin Guthrie
Daughter: Viola M Guthrie, Mary Jane Guthrie, Caroline Guthrie, Rosa F Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1803: BIRTH of JAMES C GUTHRIE
North Carolina, USA on 16 June 1803

The identity of his parents are unknown. James C Guthrie was born on 16 June 1803 reportedly in Carteret County, North Carolina. The origin of his middle name is unknown, but he named one son Canulem, and another Christopher.

1809: BIRTH of CAROLINE GUTHRIE
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 26 October 1809

Caroline’s lineage is as follows:
Daniel Guthrie & Mary Little > Samuel Guthrie & Sarah Williston > Samuel Guthrie Jr & Bell (MNU) > Benjamin Guthrie & Hannah Paretree > Caroline Guthrie.

The exact degree of relatedness, if any, between Caroline Guthrie and James C Guthrie is unknown.

1828: MARRIAGE of JAMES C GUTHRIE & CAROLINE GUTHRIE
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 18 July 1828

1816-1820: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – Unidentified
Currituck/Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

1826-1830: BIRTH of SON – Unidentified
Currituck/Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

1830: US CENSUS of NORTH CAROLINA
Beaufort, Currituck, North Carolina, USA

Household of James C Guthur:
1M / 1F 20 thru 29 (1801-1810)
1F 10 thru 14 (1816-1820)
1M under 5 (1826-1830)

About 1830: BIRTH of SON – Unidentified
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

1831-1835: BIRTHS of SON & DAUGHTER – Unidentified
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

About 1835: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – KETURIA GUTHRIE
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

1838: BIRTH of SON – CANULEM HINES GUTHRIE
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 3 November 1838

1839: BIRTH of SON – BENJAMIN FRANKLIN GUTHRIE
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 15 November 1839

1840: US CENSUS of NORTH CAROLINA
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA

Household of James Gutherie:
1M / 1F 30 thru 39 (1801-1810)
2M 10 thru 14 (1826-1830)
1M / 2F 5 thru 9 (1831-1835)
*should have 2 M under 5

1843: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – CHARITY GUTHRIE
Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 5 February 1843

1845: BIRTH of SON – CHRISTOPHER FRANCIS GUTHRIE
Morehead City, Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 22 February 1845

1845-1850: DEATH of JAMES C GUTHRIE
Beaufort, Carteret County, North Carolina, USA, presumably

1850: US CENSUS of NORTH CAROLINA
Beaufort, Carteret, North Carolina, USA

Household of Hannah Guthrie:
Hannah Guthrie 58 North Carolina
Caroline Guthrie 40 North Carolina, cannot read & write
Keturia Guthrie 16, North Carolina
Benjamin F Guthrie 15, North Carolina, attended school
Kanelim Guthrie, 12 North Carolina, attended school
Charity E Guthrie, 8 North Carolina
Christopher F Guthrie, 5, North Carolina

1860: US CENSUS of NORTH CAROLINA
Beaufort, Carteret, North Carolina, USA

Household of Caroline Gathry:
Caroline Gathry 50, cannot read & write
Canelum Gathry, 20, fisherman
Charity Gathry 17
Christopher Gathry 13

1868: DEATH of CAROLINE (GUTHRIE) GUTHRIE
Beaufort, Carteret County, North Carolina, USA on 30 Jun 1868


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