C: James P Guthrie & Martha Fansey

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG6 – BRANCH C

James P Guthrie c1801-p1840 & Martha Fansey
of Lycoming County, Pennsylvania

James Guthrie was possibly the orphaned son of Thomas Guthrie who lived in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania and was listed in the 1800 census for Muncy Creek, but not listed in 1810. Thomas was 45 or older in 1800, so his DOB would be before 1755. He appears to have been living with his wife and a son and daughter under 10 years of age.

In 1811, James Guthrie is noted to be living in Muncy Township in the role of an indentured servant and run away, so the lack of a father would make sense.

James Guthrie’s parents were definitely not Robert Guthrie & Ruth Roberts or William Guthrie & Elizabeth Guthrie as found in some online trees. Both of those couples originate with GFG2A and are not genetically related to this Guthrie Family Group (GFG6).

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG6
Group Designation: Branch C – (The Guthries of Lycoming, Pennsylvania)

Haplogroup: R-M512 > RM198
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-YP371

YDNA Matches:
Kit 273990
James Guthrie c1801-p1840 > Joseph Jones Guthrie 1829PA-1905PA (2xGGF) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
None


Findings:

Our participant has a Y37 marker kit. He matches Group Mode DNA results at 34/37.

DYS439 = 12 instead of 11. He shares this marker with Kit 235133 (GFG6 – Branch H).

DYS456 – 17 instead of 18. Another fast-moving marker with multiple changes across the group. Several have the result of 17, but ranges 16 – 19. Others with the value of 17 are Kits 578951 (GFG6-Branch E), 265262 (GFG6 – Branch G), 251848 (GFG6 – Branch J).

CDYi = 35 instead of 34. This variance is unique to the participant.

THE FAMILY of JAMES GUTHRIE & MARTHA FANSEY

JAMES P GUTHRIE
Born: About 1801
Location: Pennsylvania, USA presumably
Married: Martha Fansey about 1818-1819 in Lycoming, PA, presumably
Occupation: Farmer (Agriculture)
Died: After 1840
Location: Unknown, presumably Lycoming, PA
Burial: Unknown, presumably Lycoming, PA


MARTHA FANSEY
Born: 24 June 1801
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Sons: John F Guthrie (1820), Thomas W Guthrie (1824), James G Guthrie (1925), Joseph Jones Guthrie (1829), George W Guthrie (1836)
Daughters: Priscilla Guthrie (1837)
Reported other children names unknown


CHILDREN:

JOHN F GUTHRIE
c1820PA-p1868

John F Guthrie was born about 1820 in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA. He married Catharine Wolf about 1840-1841. I haven’t found this family listed in the 1870 census. John’s death was sometime after 1868.

Children: 9
Sons: James Wesley Guthrie (1845), Quiggle Guthrie (1855), Amos Miller Guthrie (1868)
Daughters: Martha E Guthrie (1842), Louise (1851), Catharine (1852), Caroline (1857), Sarah & Mary J (1859 – Twins)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


THOMAS W GUTHRIE
c1824PA-1906VA

Thomas W Guthrie was born about 1824 in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA. He married Catherine Kurtz about 1850. She died in 1883. Thomas was a Civil War veteran. On 31 May 1899 he was admitted to the US National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers located in Hampton, Virginia. He died there on 2 April 1906 of chronic cystitis, and his body was shipped back to Williamsport for burial on April 3rd.

Children: 5
Sons: William Babbitt Guthrie (1853), Hiram S Guthrie (1855), Laten S Guthrie (1857)
Daughters: Josephine Guthrie (1860), Margaret Guthrie (1861), Dora Guthrie (1866)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JAMES G GUTHRIE
1825PA-1901PA

James G Guthrie is a prospective child of James P Guthrie & Martha Fansey. He is living in the right place at the right time to be one of the unidentified children. One of his sons is belongs to GFG6, which would make James G Guthrie an inferred GFG6 match.

James was born in Williamsport, Lycoming, PA in Feb 1825. He was twice married. First to Susan M Wolf by whom he had 5 children. When Susan died about 1874 the two youngest children were adopted out of the family. James remarried to Catherine Barker. He died 29 July 1901 in Wallaceton, Clearfield, PA.

Children: 5
Sons: Wilson Cline Guthrie (1859), William Pervines Guthrie (1869), Justice Oliver Guthrie aka ‘Jesse’ (1874)
Daughters: Frances Cecelia Guthrie (1866), Ida May Guthrie (1872)

YDNA Project Participants: Yes*
Family Finder Participants: No

*The lineage of Justice Oliver Guthrie & Nellie Bodreau is GFG6 – Branch G


JOSEPH JONES GUTHRIE
1829PA-1905PA

Family Bible Records list Martha Fansey as the mother of Joseph Jones Guthrie. He was born on 25 June 1829 in Mifflin, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA. He married Susannah A Andrews about 1849. Joseph worked as a logger on the Susquehannah River, and was a Civil War soldier. He died 23 August 1905 at Williamsport, Lycoming, PA. Susan died in 1912. They are buried at Wildwood Cemetery in Williamsport.

Children: 12
Sons: James Wesley Guthrie (1849), Washington Andrew Guthrie (1854), Charles Hamilton Guthrie (1857), William Jerome Guthrie (1859), Elmer Ellsworth Guthrie (1862), Joseph Ellsworth Guthrie (1867), Hiram Corner Guthrie (1869), Harry Albert Guthrie (1876)

Daughters: Catherine Guthrie (1852), Annie Luticia Guthrie (1856), Sophronia Guthrie (1864), Florence A Guthrie (1871)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: No


GEORGE W GUTHRIE
1836PA – 1904PA

George W Guthrie was born about 1836 in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania. He and his family are next door to that of Thomas Guthrie during the 1860 census, so it is presumed that George W Guthrie is also a son of James and Martha (Fansey) Guthrie. I cannot find the family listed in the 1850 census, so it may be that there are other children who were born between Joseph and George.

George Guthrie married Delilah Cable. They lived in Nippenose and appear to have had 2 children: Anna and Franklin. There is a Sarah Guthrie (wife or sister?) living with him in Nippenose in 1870, but in 1880 George is listed as single. He died 21 April 1904 in Lycoming County.

Children: 2
Sons: Franklin W Guthrie (1861)
Daughters: Anna Minerva Guthrie (1858)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


PRISCILLA GUTHRIE
1837PA-1896PA

Priscilla Guthrie was born about 1837. Some trees list her name as Hannah Priscilla. She married Michael Wolf before 1857. They lived primarily in Lycoming County, PA. Both died before 1900.

Children: 6
Wolf Sons: Harris Wolf (1863), Oliver M Wolf (1867), Warren W Wolf (1870)
Wolf Daughters: Floretta Wolf (1857), Ellen Wolf (1859), Priscilla Wolf (1870)

Family Finder Participants: No

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1795: FORMATION of LYCOMING COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA

Lycoming County was formed from Northumberland County, Pennsylvania on 13 April 1795. It took up most of North Central Pennsylvania and would later be divided to form Armstrong, Bradford, Centre, Clearfield, Clinton, Indiana, Jefferson, McKean, Potter, Sullivan, Tioga, Venango, Warren, Forest, Elk, and Cameron. The county also went through several name changes starting with Jefferson County, then Lycoming, then Susquehanna, then Muncy, and back to Lycoming.

1800: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Muncy Creek, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

Thos. Guthrie Household: 1M & 1F 45 and over (born before 1755), 1M & 1F under 10 (1791-1800).

This is the possible family of James Guthrie who would be the boy under 10 years of age. Thomas Guthrie was the only Guthrie named as a Head of Household for Lycoming County in 1800. There are none listed for 1810, and James is the only one listed for 1820.

Abt. 1801: BIRTH of JAMES GUTHRIE
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA, presumably

1811: REWARD FOR A RUN-AWAY
Muncy Township, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA on 15 May 1811

Six Cents Reward – Ran-away, the second time, from the subscriber, living in Mucy Twp, a bound boy bet. 12 and 13 yrs of age, named JAMES GUTTERY, whoever takes up said boy shall have the above reward but no charges paid. John Carpenter.

Since it appears that Thomas Guthrie probably died before 1810 leaving his son, James Guthrie, an orphan, he was possibly assigned as an indentured servant for an unknown number of years.

Before 1820: MARRIAGE of JAMES GUTHRIE & MARTHA FANSEY
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA, presumably

1820: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

James Guttry Household: 1M & 1F 16-25 (1795-1804). 1 in Agriculture.

1820: BIRTH of SON – JOHN F GUTHRIE
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

Abt. 1824: BIRTH of SON – THOMAS W GUTHRIE
Jersey Shore, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA

1829: BIRTH of SON – JOSEPH JONES GUTHRIE
Mifflin, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA on 25 June 1829

1830: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Mifflin, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA

James Guthrey Household:
1M 30-39 (1791-1800)
1F 20-29 (1801-1810)
2M 5-9 (1821-1825)
2M under 5 (1826-1830)

This census indicates there was a son born between Joseph (1829) and George (1836).

1836: BIRTH of SON – GEORGE W GUTHRIE
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

1837: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – PRISCILLA GUTHRIE
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

1840: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Mifflin Township, Jersey Shore, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

James Guttery Household:
1M & 1F 40-49 (1791-1800)
1M 15-19 (1821-1825)
Where are the other children?

There is also this entry, which suggests James and Martha could have been separated in 1840.
Lewis, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA
Mrs J Guthery Household:
1F 30-39 (1801-1810)
1M 20-29 (1811-1820)
1M 5-9 (1831-1835)
1F Under 5 (1836-1840)

1840-1850: DEATH of JAMES GUTHRIE

James Guthrie is not listed in the 1850 census, so is presumably dead by that date.

Abt. 1841: MARRIAGE of SON – JOHN F GUTHRIE
Pennsylvania, USA, presumably

John F Guthrie was married to Catharine Wolf. No date or details known. They were living in Ringgold, Jefferson, PA in 1850 and in Mifflin, Lycoming County, PA in 1860. I have not found this family listed in the 1870 census. Their children were: Martha E Guthrie, James Wesley Guthrie, Louise Guthrie, Catharine Guthrie, Quiggle Guthrie, Caroline Guthrie, Mary J Guthrie & Sarah Guthrie (twins), and Amos Miller Guthrie.

Abt. 1850: MARRIAGE of SON – THOMAS W GUTHRIE
Pennsylvania, USA

Thomas W Guthrie married Catherine Kurtz about 1850. They lived in Nippenose and later Williamsport in Lycoming County, PA. Children: Sarah E Guthrie, William Babbitt Guthrie, Hiram S Guthrie, Laten S Guthrie, Josephine Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, and Dora Guthrie.

1850: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Ringgold, Jefferson, Pennsylvania, USA

Three Guthrie Households:
87 / 88
John Guthrie 30 M Laborer PA
Catharine 28 F PA
Martha 8 F PA
James 6 M PA
Catharine 1 F PA
I H Heasley 21 M Clerking PA

88 / 89
Thomas Guthrie 28 M Laborer PA Married within the Year
Catharine 20 F PA Married within the Year

89 90
James Guthrie 26 M Laborer PA
Susannah Guthrie 21 F PA
Who’s this? Is ‘James’ actually ‘Jones’ and his wife Susan even though they are listed in the 1850 Nippenose census?

1850: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Nippenose, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA

The Phillips Household:
24 24
Elizabeth Phillips 61 F PA
John Antes 37 M Boatman RE 200 PA
Margaret Mayers 32 F PA
Joseph Gutery 26 M Laborer PA
Susan Gutery 24 F PA
James Gutery 9/12 M PA
Priscilla Gutery 18 F PA

I have not found Martha (Fansey) Guthrie or son George W Guthrie in the 1850 census.

Abt. 1856: MARRIAGE OF DAUGHTER – PRISCILLA GUTHRIE
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA, presumably

Priscilla Guthrie married Michael Wolf. They lived in Pine Creek, Clinton County, in 1860 and then Newberry and Williamsport in Lycoming County. Their children were Floretta Wolf, Ellen Wolf, Harris Wolf, Oliver M Wolf, Priscilla Wolf, and Warren W Wolf.

Abt. 1857: MARRIAGE of SON – GEORGE W GUTHRIE
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA, presumably

George W Guthrie married Delilah Cable. They had 2 known children: Anna Minerva Guthrie and Franklin W Guthrie.

1860: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA

Martha (Fansey) Guthrie – I cannot find her in the 1860 census.
John F Guthrie and his family are in Mifflin, Lycoming, PA.
Thomas W Guthrie and his family are in Nippenose, Lycoming, PA.
George W Guthrie and his family are living next door.
Joseph Jones Guthrie and his family are in Mifflin, Lycoming, PA,
Priscilla (Guthrie) Wolf and her family are in Pine Creek, Clinton, PA.

1870: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA

Martha (Fansey) Guthrie – Living in Pine Creek, Clinton, PA with daughter.
John F Guthrie and family – I cannot find them in the 1870 census.
Thomas W Guthrie and family are in Nippenose, Lycoming, PA.
Joseph Jones Guthrie and family are in Eldred, Lycoming, PA
George W Guthrie and Sarah Guthrie are in Nippenose, Lycoming, PA.
Priscilla (Guthrie) Wolf and her family are in Pine Creek, Clinton, PA.

1873: US CITY DIRECTORY
Williamsport, Lycoming, Pennsylvania

Guthrie, Martha, widow James P. bds Queen n James Mill, Jaysburg

1877: US CITY DIRECTORY
Williamsport, Lycoming, Pennsylvania

Guthrie, Martha, widow James, bds Market n city limits

1880: US CENSUS of Pennsylvania

Martha (Fansey) Guthrie – Living in Williamsport with daughter’s family
John F Guthrie – Likely deceased by this date
Thomas W Guthrie – Living in Williamsport
Joseph Jones Guthrie – Living in Williamsport
George W Guthrie – Living in Cummings, Lycoming, PA
Priscilla (Guthrie) Wolf – Living in Williamsport

1886: US CITY DIRECTORY
Williamsport, Lycoming, Pennsylvania

Guthrie, Joseph J, laborer, h Anthony ab Jackson
Guthrie, Martha, widow James, h Anthony ab Jackson
Guthrie, Thomas W, grocer, 21 bel Park, h do

1890: US CITY DIRECTORY
Williamsport, Lycoming, Pennsylvania

Guthrie, Catherine, wid John F, h Blooming Grove rd
Guthrie, Joseph J, laborer, h 426 anthony
Guthrie, Martha, wid James P, bds 426 Anthony
Guthrie, Thomas W, grocer, 236 Park, h do

1893: DEATH of MARTHA (FANSEY) GUTHRIE
Williamsport, Lycoming, Pennsylvania

Martha died at about 91 years of age on 15 January 1893 in Williamsport.


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