D: John Guthrie & Isabella Stinson

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG6 – BRANCH D

John Guthrie 1791IRE-1862CAN & Isabella Stinson
of Ireland and Ontario, Canada

John Guthrie was in York, Ontario, Canada by the Spring of 1822 when he married Isabella Stinson. There are no comprehensive ships passenger lists of immigrants arriving in Canada prior to 1855. Until then, shipping companies were not required by the government to keep their passenger manifests. As a consequence, we do not have information on John Guthrie’s arrival in Canada from Ireland.

Was John Guthrie a direct arrival in Canada or did he come through one of the American ports and travel north? Was he alone or did he travel with someone? Did he have other family in the area?

In 1785, the British began the settlement of York, now Toronto. Until 1790, Ontario was a part of the Province of Quebec. The Constitutional Act of 1791 established Upper Canada. The population grew from about 6,000 in 1785 to 46,000 in 1806. Upper Canada was the chief target of the Americans during the War of 1812 (1812-1814). It is unknown if John Guthrie was already in Upper Canada at the time of the war or if he arrived after its end.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG6
Group Designation: Branch D – (The Guthries of Ontario, Canada)

Haplogroup: R-M512 > RM198
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-YP371

YDNA Matches:
Kit 307769 (+FF)
John Guthrie 1791IRE-1862CAN > Richard Guthrie 1843CAN-1916CAN (GGF) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
None


Findings:

Our participant has a Y111 marker test. There is currently only 1 other participant who has tested at the Y111 level. There is only a 1 marker variance between them at genetic markers 67-111, but as with many of the GFG members both have genetic differences at markers 1-66.

This participant has 6 variances compared to Group Mode DNA. His closest genetic matches at Y67 are Kit 316757 of Branch B, Kit 578951 of Branch E, Kit 231327 of Branch F, Kits 450206 & 194376 of Branch K.

DYS19 = 15 vs Group Mode 16. Unique to this participant.
DYS389i = 14 vs 13. Also found in Kit 271912 (Branch A)
DYS389ii = 30 vs 29. Also found in Kit 271912 (Branch A) and Kit 265262 (Branch G).
DYS570 = 18 vs 19. Unique to this participant.
CDYii = 38 vs 39. Fast moving marker also found in other GFG6 kits.
DYS442 = 13 vs 14. Unique to this participant.

THE FAMILY of JOHN GUTHRIE & ISABELLA STINSON

JOHN GUTHRIE
Born: 1791
Location: Ireland, County Unknown
Married: Isabella Stinson on 25 April 1822 at York, Ontario, Canada
Occupation: Unknown
Died: 1862
Location: Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada
Buried: Unknown, presumably in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada


ISABELLA STINSON
Born: 1804
Location: Ireland
Sons: Richard Guthrie (1843)
Daughters: Margaret Guthrie (1823), Sarah Ann Guthrie (1825), Mary Jane Guthrie (1828), Ann Guthrie (1833), Eleanor Eliza Guthrie (1835), Harriet Guthrie (1837), Agnes Guthrie (1839), Elizabeth Guthrie (1839)
Died: Between 1851-1861, presumably
Buried: Unknown, presumably in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada


CHILDREN:

MARGARET GUTHRIE
1823CAN-1893CAN

Margaret Guthrie was born in York, Ontario in 1823. She married Thomas Lamb. Religion: Church of England. They lived in Reach, Ontario. Margaret died 18 March 1893.

Children: 3
Lamb Sons: John Lamb, Thomas Lamb
Lamb Daughters: Sarah Lamb

Family Finder Participants: No


SARAH ANN GUTHRIE
1824CAN-1907CAN

Sarah Ann Guthrie was born in York, Ontario on 15 Oct 1824. She married William Burkholder. They lived in Vaughan, York, Canada West/Ontario and later in Woodbridge, York West, Ontario. Religion: Church of England. William died in 1898. Sarah lived until 12 Jun 1907. She is buried at Woodbridge.

Children: 2
Burkholder Sons: None
Burkholder Daughters: Mary Burkholder, Isabella Burkholder

Family Finder Participants: No


MARY JANE GUTHRIE
1828CAN-1911CAN

Mary Jane Guthrie aka Marcy was born on 5 August 1828 at York, Ontario. She married Noble Stevenson on 16 March 1847 in Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada. She died in Whitby on 26 Jan 1911. Religion: Church of England > Methodist Church of Canada.

Children: 9
Stevenson Sons: Joseph Stevenson, Richard M Stevenson, John Wesley Stevenson
Stevenson Daughters: Margaret Stevenson, Amelia Stevenson, Angelina Stevenson, Adalade Stevenson, Frances Stevenson, Minerva Stevenson

Family Finder Participants: No


ANN GUTHRIE
1833CAN-1902CAN

Ann Guthrie aka Annie was born on 5 April 1833 at Vaughan, Ontario. She married Henry Edward Haney on 14 June 1860 in Whitby, Ontario. They lived in Pickering and later Toronto. Religion: Church of England. Ann died on 2 October 1902 in Toronto.

Children: 8
Haney Sons: Albert Stanley Haney
Haney Daughters: Josephine Haney, Alice Jane Haney, Emma Haney, Lilly Haney, Minnie Haney, Maud Mary Haney, Ida Haney

Family Finder Participants: No


ELLEN ELIZA GUTHRIE
1835CAN-1895CAN

Ellen Eliza Guthrie was born in 1835 in Whitby, Ontario. She married Edward Brethour. They lived in Whitby, Reach, and Scott, Ontario. She died sometime after the 1891 census.

Children: 12
Brethour Sons: William Henry Brethour, Hesekiah Brethour, Richard Wesley Brethour, Theodore Brethour
Brethour Daughters: Hannah Brethour, Isabella Brethour, Agnes Brethour, Margaret Brethour, Eliza Jane Brethour, Almira Alice Brethour, Lilley Maud Brethour, Theressa Brethour

Family Finder Participants: No


HARRIET GUTHRIE
1837CAN-p1891

Harriet Guthrie was born in Whitby in 1837. She married James bailey in 1851. They lived in Cartwright, Durham, Ontario. Her death date is unknown. There is a 1901 census record for a Harriet Bailey of approximate age in Manitoba, but I’m not certain it is the right person. No death record found so far.

Children: 6
Bailey Sons: William Bailey, James Bailey, Frederick Arthur Bailey
Bailey Daughters: Elizabeth Ann Bailey, Louisa Bailey, Sarah J Bailey

Family Finder Participants: No


AGNES GUTHRIE
1839CAN-p1911CAN

Agnes Guthrie was born in Whitby in 1839. She married Robert Pardon about 1870. They lived in Whitby. Robert died in 1904. Agnes’ DOD is unknown, but was sometime after the 1911 census.

Children: 4
Pardon Sons: William James Pardon, Robert Edward Pardon
Pardon Daughters: Minnie Pardon, Hortense Pardon

Family Finder Participants: No


ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
1841CAN-1901CAN

Elizabeth Guthrie was born about 1841 in Whitby. She married Francis Bailey about 1856. They lived in Whitby and Reach. Elizabeth died on 8 Dec 1901 in Reach.

Children: 9
Bailey Sons: Richard Bailey, Francis Bailey, Albert Bailey, Frederick Bailey, Edward Bailey
Bailey Daughters: Amelia Bailey, Alice Jane Bailey, Charlotte Bailey, Evelina Pauline Bailey

Family Finder Participants: No


RICHARD GUTHRIE
1843CAN-1916CAN

Richard Guthrie was born in March 1843 in Whitby. He married Sarah Jane McQuay on 26 Jan 1870 in Pickering, and they continued to live there for some years before moving to Whitby. Religion: Wesleyan Methodist > Presbyterian. Richard was a farmer. He died 26 March 1916, and his wife Sarah died just a few months later in December 1916.

Children: 6
Sons: Herbert James Guthrie, William Henry Guthrie, John Franklin Guthrie, Richard Stinson Guthrie
Daughters: Edith Guthrie, Sarah Jane Guthrie

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: No

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1791: BIRTH of JOHN GUTHRIE
Ireland, county unknown

The 1851 and 1861 census provide our only clues as to John Guthrie’s DOB, and they don’t match. The 1851 census lists him as 50 (born 1801) and the 1861 census as 70 (born 1791). Both census records indicate he was born in Ireland.

Trees listing a mother named Elizabeth are probably erroneous. The 1851 census lists an Elizabeth Guthrie with the family, but her age of 11 is underwritten as 8 so that the age appears to be 81 instead. This is John and Isabella’s daughter, Elizabeth Guthrie, and not his mother.

1804: BIRTH of ISABELLA STINSON
Ireland, county unknown

Isabella Stinson, the daughter of Richard & Mary Stinson, was born about 1804 in Ireland.

1812-1814: WAR of 1812

It is unknown if John Guthrie was living in Canada during the War of 1812, but the area in which he settled was a target of American assaults on British holdings. It is possible that John Guthrie was involved in the war if he lived there at the time, or that he may have arrived in Canada as a result of the war.

BEFORE 1822: IMMIGRATION to CANADA

It is unknown exactly when John Guthrie moved from Ireland to Canada, or which port of entry he came by. He was living in York, Ontario by April of 1822 when he married Isabella Stinson

1822: MARRIAGE of JOHN GUTHRIE & ISABELLA STINSON
York, Ontario, Canada on 25 April 1822

Aprile 25 York (Licensed) John Guthrie & Sybella Stinson, witnesses John Lawrence & Henry Cutler, Rev. William Jenkins.

1823: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARGARET GUTHRIE
York, Ontario, Canada

1824: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – SARAH ANN GUTHRIE
York, Ontario, Canada on 15 October 1824

1828: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARY JANE GUTHRIE
York, Ontario, Canada on 5 August 1828

1833: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ANN GUTHRIE
Vaughn, Ontario, Canada on 5 April 1833

1835: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ELLEN ELIZA GUTHRIE
Vaughan or Whitby, York, Ontario, Canada

1837: CITY DIRECTORY
Vaughan, York, Ontario, Canada

Listed in the “City of Toronto and the Home District Commercial Directory and Register with Almanack and Calendar for 1837” by George Walton, page 142.

1837: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – HARRIET GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada

1839: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – AGNES GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada

1841: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada

1843: BIRTH of SON – RICHARD GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada in March 1843

1844: PROPERTY / RESIDENCE
Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada

This frame house was built by John Guthrie shortly after he purchased lot 35 on Concession 4 in Whitby Township in 1844. A modern house was built onto it in the 1890s and the old house used as a kitchen and later a garage. It was demolished c1955.

Abt. 1845: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MARGARET GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada, presumably

Margaret Guthrie married Thomas Lamb about 1845 estimated from the DOB of their eldest child born in 1846. Children: Sarah Lamb, John Lamb, and Thomas Lamb.

Abt. 1845: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – SARAH ANN GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada, presumably

Sarah Ann Guthrie married William Burkholder about 1845 estimated from the 1846 DOB of their eldest child. They were parents to two children: Mary Burkholder and Isabella Burkholder.

1847: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MARY JANE GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada on 16 March 1847

Mary Jane Guthrie married Noble Stevenson on 16 March 1847. Their marriage notice was published in the British Canadian (Toronto) paper on 27 Mar 1847. “At Whitby, on 16th March, Noble Stevenson, to Mary Jane, daughter of John Guthrie, both of the twp of Whitby.” (Rev John Pentland). Their children were: Margaret Jane Stevenson, Sarah E Stevenson, Amelia Stevenson, Joseph Stevenson, Richard M Stevenson, Frances Gertrude Stevenson, John Wesley Stevenson, Minerva Stevenson, and Adelade Stevenson

Abt. 1851: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – ELLEN ELIZA GUTHRIE
Ontario, Canada, presumably in Whitby

Ellen Guthrie married Edward Brethour about 1851 estimated from the DOB of their eldest child in 1852. Children: Hannah Brethour, William Henry Brethour, Isabella Brethour, Margaret A Brethour, Hezekiah Brethour, Richard Wesley Brethour, Eliza Jane Brethour, Almira Alice Brethour, Lilley Maud Brethour, Teressa Brethour, and Theodore Brethour.

1851: CENSUS of UPPER CANADA

Personal Census – Enumeration District No. 2 Township of Whitby – All from the West Town Line to Lot No. 19

Names of Inmates, Profession, Birthplace, Religion, Residence Out of Limits, Age Next Birth Day, Sex, Marital Status, Colored, Indians, Residents, Other Categories, Deaths During 1851, Houses & Descriptions, Shops, Public Bldgs, Places of Worship.

9 Richard Guthery Farmer U.C. (Upper Canada), C.E. (Church of England), , Age 10, male, single, attending school, 1 story frame house occupied by 1 family
10 Margaret Guthery, UC, CE, Age 28, female, single
11 Ann Guthrie, UC, CE, Age 18, female, single
12 Elizabeth, UC, CE, Age 11, female, single
13 John Guthry, Farmer, Ireland, CE, Age 50, male, married
14 Isabel Guthry, Ireland, CE, Age 46, female, married

Notice that daughter Margaret Guthrie is listed as single and living with her parents in 1851. This might indicate that her marriage to Thomas Lamb took place after 1851 and that she is not the mother of Thomas’s three children.

1852-1861: DEATH of ISABELLA (STINSON) GUTHRIE
Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada

Isabella’s exact DOD is unknown. She died between the 1851 and 1861 censuses. Reported as buried in Salem Cemetery, Ajax, Ontario, Canada.

Abt. 1854: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – HARRIET GUTHRIE
Ontario, Canada, presumably in Whitby

Harriet Guthrie married James Bailey about 1854 estimated from the DOB of their eldest child in 1855. Children: Elizabeth Ann Bailey, Louisa Bailey, William Bailey, James Bailey, Sarah J Bailey, and Frederick Arthur Bailey.

Abt. 1856: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – ELIZABETH GUTHRIE
Ontario, Canada, presumably in Whitby

Elizabeth Guthrie married Francis Bailey about 1856 estimated from the DOB of their first known child about 1857. Children: Richard Bailey, Francis Bailey, Amelia Bailey, Albert Bailey, Alice Jane Bailey, Frederick Bailey, Edward Bailey, Charlotte Bailey, Evelina Pauline Bailey.

1860: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – ANN GUTHRIE
Whitby, Ontario, Canada on 14 Jun 1860

Ann Guthrie married Henry Edward Haney on 14 June 1860. Their children were Josephine Haney, Alice Jane Haney, Albert Stanley Haney, Lillian Haney, Minnie Haney, Maud Mary Haney, and Ida Haney.

1861: CENSUS of CANADA
West Whitby, Ontario, Canada

John Guttery farmer, Age: 70; Marital Status: Widowed; Relation to Head of House: Head, born in Ireland, Wesleyan Methodist; Agnes Guttery born Upper Canada, 22; Richard Guttery born Upper Canada 19.

1862: DEATH of JOHN GUTHRIE
Whitby, Durham, Ontario, Canada

1870: MARRIAGE of SON – RICHARD GUTHRIE
Pickering, Durham, Ontario, Canada on 26 January 1870

Vol 5 Pg 305 Richard GUTHRIE, 26, yeoman, Yorkshire England, Whitby Twp, s/o John & Isabella GUTHRIE, married Sarah Jane MCQUAY, 25, Pickering Twp, Pickering, d/o James & Sarah MCQUAY witn: Thomas & Sarah MCQUAG, both of Pickering, 26 Jan 1870 at Pickering

Children: Herbert James Guthrie, William Henry Guthrie, John Franklin Guthrie, Sarah Jane Guthrie, and Richard Stinson Guthrie

Abt. 1871: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – AGNES GUTHRIE
Ontario, Canada, presumably in Whitby

Agnes Guthrie married Robert Pardon about 1871 estimated from the DOB of their eldest known child born in 1872. Children: Minnie Pardon, William James Pardon, Hortense Pardon, Robert Edward Pardon.


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