B: Daniel Guthrie & Jane (MNU)

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG7 – BRANCH B

Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN & Jane (MNU)
of Bedford, Pennsylvania and Lawrence, Indiana, USA

A Y-DNA match with an Australian man may provide an important clue for descendants of Daniel Guthrie and Jane (MNU). His line has no American component and immigrated directly from Ayrshire, Scotland to Australia. This suggests that the Most Recent Common Ancestor between these two Guthrie Family Group 7 branches could be found in Ayrshire.

Family trees for Daniel’s line frequently list him with a set of parents: William Guthrie and Nancy Bussell. I have found no original documents naming Daniel’s parents. There are 140 pages of scanned correspondence between American Guthrie & Allied Families author Lawrence R Guthrie and descendants of Daniel Guthrie, but none of them mention a Guthrie-Bussell connection. What is the original source for that data?

Interestingly, Guthrie Family Group 2A also has a theorized Bissell ancestor attached to Branch I. The project also has a member of the Bessell surname who has Guthrie ancestry who has autosomal matches to people originating from GFG2A and GFG7. The Bessell/Bissell/Bussell surname could be the common denominator. We’re just lacking actual documentation to prove it.

Daniel Guthrie resided in Bedford and Huntingdon Counties, Pennsylvania. The family’s tradition indicates that Daniel moved to North Carolina and western Virginia, after which four of his sons moved to Kentucky at the urging of Daniel Boone. From there they settled Lawrence County, Indiana. These sons are credited with the founding of Leesville, Lawrence, Indiana.

Author LRG makes no mention of Daniel Guthrie’s wife. According to her tombstone, her given name was Jane. Online trees list her as ‘Jane Flinn’ although son Daniel is also married to a Flinn, so it is possible there was some confusion about the maiden name of Daniel Sr’s wife. There is also a possibility that due to the close ties between the Guthrie and Flinn families that there were several intermarriages.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG7
Group Designation: Branch B – (The Guthries of Lawrence, Indiana)

Haplogroup: R-M198/R-M512
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-M512

YDNA Matches:
Kit 42638
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Jacob Guthrie 1806VA-1872IN (2xGGF) +more

Kit 115810
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Hugh Guthrie 1818IN-1873IN (2xGGF) +more

Kit 184552
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Samuel Guthrie 1812IN-????TX > John Riley Guthrie 1835IN-???? (2xGGF) +more

Kit 641254 +FF
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Daniel Guthrie 1780PA-1839IN > Daniel W Guthrie 1808VA-1875IN > Eri Guthrie 1844IN-1917KS > James Elliott Guthrie 1867IN-1942 (2xGGF) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:

Kit 63127
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Patience Guthrie 1789VA-1840VA

Kit 244210
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Daniel Guthrie 1810VA-1868IN

Kit 270065
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Hugh Guthrie 1818IN-1873IN > Alfred Guthrie 1860IN-1917IA > Ora Belle Guthrie 1880IN-1969WA (2xGGM)

Kit 270898
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Daniel Guthrie 1780PA-1839IN > Daniel W Guthrie 1808VA-1875IN > Alfred Guthrie 1828IN-1913IN > Melvina Guthrie 1854IN-1922IN

Kit 403645
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Mary Guthrie 1762PA-1833IN

Kit 498435
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Jacob Guthrie 1806VA-1872IN > Sarah Guthrie 1831-1880 (3xGGM)

Kit 701284
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Samuel Guthrie 1812IN-????TX > Daniel Boone Guthrie 1846IN-1921OK (2xGGF) +more

Kit 839366
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > John Guthrie 1785VA-1851IN > Hugh Guthrie 1818IN-1873IN (2xGGF) +more

Kit B3500
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Mary Guthrie 1762PA-1833IN

Kit B12190
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Mary Guthrie 1762PA-1833IN

Kit B85668
Daniel Guthrie 1737PA-1826IN > Mary Guthrie 1762PA-1833IN


Findings:

Current Y-DNA Project participants who descend from Daniel Guthrie & Jane Flinn match the genetic profile for Guthrie Family Group 7. A mix of Y37 and Y67 marker tests were performed.

Kit 184552
This is a Y37 marker kit with a 37/37 match for Group Mode DNA. No mutations found at this level compared to the most common result for the group.

Kit 42638
This is a Y37 marker kit with a 37/37 match for Group Mode DNA. No mutations found at this level compared to the most common result for the group.

Kit 115810
This is a Y67 marker kit with a 35/37 match at the Y37 marker level and no additional mutations for the remaining 30 markers.
DYS570 = 19 instead of Group Mode 18 is unique to this kit
CDYi = 36 instead of Group Mode 37 is unique to this kit
These changes are likely the result of recent and/or random changes not significant as a marker of inheritance.

Kit 641254
This is a Y37 marker kit with a 33/37 match for Group Mode DNA.
DYS390 = 25 instead of 26. Also found in kits 230119 (Branch A) and Kit 185946 (Branch C). This marker is potentially the original value as it is also found in the other two branches of GFG7. Since also found in Branch B, it could potentially reflect the beginning of a genetic change that occurred in the line of Daniel’s son John (descendants are DYS 390 = 26).

The 3 remaining variances are unique to this kit:
DYS464d = 15 instead of 16
DYS460 = 12 instead of 11
CDYii = 37 instead of 38

THE FAMILY of DANIEL GUTHRIE & JANE FLINN

DANIEL GUTHRIE
Born: 14 February 1737
Location: Bedford County, Colonial Pennsylvania
Married: Unknown, presumably before 1762 and/or before 1774
Occupation: Unknown
Died: 17 September 1826
Location: Leesville, Lawrence, Indiana, USA
Buried: Flinn Cemetery


JANE FLINN
Born: 17 February 1747
Location: Hopewell, Bedford County, Colonial Pennsylvania
Sons: Hugh Guthrie (1774), Samuel Guthrie (1775), Daniel Guthrie (1780), William Guthrie (1783), John Guthrie (1785)
Daughters: Mary ? (1762), Ann (1776), Sarah (1777), Patience (1789)
Died: 18 August 1826
Location: Leesville, Lawrence, Indiana, USA
Buried: Flinn Cemetery


CHILDREN:

MARY GUTHRIE
1762PA-1833IN

There seems to be no doubt in either online trees or autosomal DNA tests that Mary Guthrie is a daughter of Daniel Guthrie Sr. I have to wonder about the 12-year gap between the birth of Mary Guthrie in 1762 and the birth of the next child in 1774. While Jane would have been only 15 at the time of Mary’s birth, a marriage at 14 is not completely out of the question, although still considered under age in colonial times. It is the lack of any other children in that 12 year gap. Has anyone considered that Daniel Guthrie Sr might have been married twice, and that Mary Guthrie is the product of that first marriage? His marriage to Jane could have taken place a year or two before Hugh’s 1774 birth.

Mary Guthrie was born in 1762 in Pennsylvania, presumably Bedford County. At 16, she married Thomas Cullen Pridemore in September 1778. They moved with the family to Virginia and eventually settled in Indiana. Mary died in Martin, Lawrence, Indiana on 21 Sep 1833. Thomas died in 1839.

Children: 13
Pridemore Sons: Samuel Pridemore (1784), Jonathan Pridemore (1793), Daniel Pridemore (1794), Lemuel Pridemore (1800), Theodore Cullen Pridemore (1801), Andrew Pridemore (1804).

Pridemore Daughters: Susan Pridemore (1770), Mary Pridemore (1779), Rebecca Pridemore (1782), Anne Pridemore (1783), Patience Pridemore (1792), Elizabeth Pridemore (1798), Catherine Pridemore (1807)

Family Finder Participants: Yes


HUGH GUTHRIE
1774PA-1847IN

1820: Age 45 and over (Born before 1774)
1830: Age 60-69 (Born 1761-1770)
1840: Age 60-69 (Born 1771-1780)
Since the 1830 and 1840 censuses list Hugh in the same age range, his actual DOB was probably on the cusp of both. Possibly 1770-1771.

Hugh Guthrie married Nancy Flinn, presumably about 1795 prior to the birth of their eldest child in 1796. He died 25 Jan 1847 and Nancy in 1862. They are buried Pinhook Cemetery.

Children: 8
Sons: 1 died in infancy
Daughters: Nancy Guthrie (1796), Mary Guthrie (1800), Rachel Guthrie (1811), Ellen A Guthrie (1815), Patience Guthrie (1818), Elizabeth Guthrie (1822), Betsy Guthrie (18??)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No (n/a – no surviving sons)
Family Finder Participants: No


SAMUEL GUTHRIE
1775PA-1844AR

Samuel Guthrie was born about 1775 in Hopewell, Bedford, Pennsylvania. He married Judith Carter about 1800 and they remained in Virginia while raising their 4 sons. A Chancery Court Case: Stewart vs Guthrey is recorded in the records of Scott County, Virginia in 1830. After this the family is found in Washington, Arkansas Territory, USA in the 1830 census. Judith died in Virginia. Samuel died in Arkansas in 1844.

Children: 4 Known
Sons: Samuel Guthrie (1801), Ephraim W Guthrie (1805), Edmund C Guthrie (1806), Joseph Guthrie (1807)
Daughters: None Known

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


ANN GUTHRIE
1776PA-1840VA or AR

Ann Guthrie was born about 1776. It would have been in Pennsylvania because her father Daniel Guthrie was serving in the American Revolution there. She married Elijah Carter. According to the census records, Ann appears to have died between 1830 in Scott, Virginia and 1840 when the family was living in Illinois, Washington County, Arkansas.

Children: 3 Known
Carter Sons: Allen Carter (1807), John River Carter (1818)
Carter Daughters: Matilda Carter (1801)

Family Finder Participants: No


SARAH GUTHRIE
1777PA-1821IN

Sarah Guthrie was born about 1777 in Pennsylvania. She married Isaac Williams in Virginia about 1797, and they made the move to Lawrence County, Indiana. Sarah died there on 10 March 1821. Isaac outlived her by 42 years. He had remarried to Mary Evans in 1825.

Children: 9
Williams Sons: John Williams (1798), Isaac Williams (1811), Samuel Williams (1813), Jacob Flinn Williams (1815)
Williams Daughters: Ann Williams (1799), Mary Williams (1801), Jane Williams (1803), Rebecca Williams (1807), Sarah Williams (1817)

Family Finder Participants: No


DANIEL GUTHRIE
1780PA-1839IN

Daniel Guthrie was born about 1780 in Hopewell, Bedford, Pennsylvania. He married Frances ‘Fannie’ Flinn, the daughter of William Flinn most likely in North Carolina or Virginia. Daniel was one of the brothers who moved their families to Kentucky at the urging of Daniel Boone, but were soon induced to settle in Lawrence County, Indiana where they founded Leesville. Daniel died there on 1 April 1839, and Fannie about 1840.

Children: 11
Sons: Hugh Guthrie (1804), William L Guthrie (1805), Daniel W Guthrie (1808), Samuel Guthrie (1810), John Guthrie (1812), Hiram Guthrie (1815), Robert Guthrie (1819), Matthew Guthrie (1822)
Daughters: Isabella Guthrie (1817), Matilda Guthrie (1825), Elizabeth Guthrie (1827)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


WILLIAM GUTHRIE
1783PA-1844IN

William Guthrie’s line is not traced in American Guthrie and Allied Families. AKA ‘Big Bill’ according to the Guthrie-Routh Roots tree on Ancestry. Various trees indicate that William was born in Pennsylvania or Virginia about 1783. His father’s tax records suggest the family was still in Pennsylvania in 1783.

William married Nancy Weddell (or Wallen) about 1804, presumably also in Virginia, but maybe in Tennessee. Nancy died sometime after 1820. William died about November 1844 in Lawrence County, Indiana.

Children: 5
Sons: Samuel Dixon Guthrie (1805), Daniel Guthrie (1810)
Daughters: Mary (1810), Sarah (1814), Jane (1815)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JOHN GUTHRIE
1785VA-1851IN

John Guthrie was born 8 Nov 1785 in Virginia. He married Elizabeth ‘Betsy’ Flinn, the daughter of Jacob Flinn, about 1805 in Virginia, possibly in Lee County. They left Virginia for Boone County, Kentucky about 1807, but in 1809 he traveled with his brother Daniel to Indiana to build a cabin. They returned to Kentucky for the winter, and then led a caravan of settlers back to Indiana in February of 1810. John Guthrie died in Leesville, Lawrence, Indiana on 6 November 1851 and is buried at Granny White Cemetery. His widow Betsy died in 1867.

Children: 8
Sons: Jacob Guthrie (1806), Daniel Guthrie (1810), Samuel Guthrie (1812), Hugh Guthrie (1818)
Daughters: Sarah Guthrie (1808), Lucinda Guthrie (1814), Emily Jane Guthrie (1821), Elizabeth Guthrie (1822)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


PATIENCE GUTHRIE
1789VA-1840VA

Patience Guthrie was born in Virginia about 1789. She married Reuben Pendleton. Their family remained in Scott County, Virginia. Patience died between 1830-1840. Reuben remarried on 14 November 1840 in Scott County, Virginia to Rachel Morris. Both were in their 60s. Reuben died on 3 March 1860 at Rye Cove, Scott County, Virginia.

Children: 7
Pendleton Sons: Ira Nash Pendleton (1805), Samuel Guthrie Pendleton (1807), Enoch Pendleton (1815), Elisha Link Pendleton (1815), James Pendleton (1817)
Pendleton Daughters: Frances Pendleton (1804), Martha Jane Pendleton (1806)

Family Finder Participants: No


HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

1737: BIRTH of DANIEL GUTHRIE
Pennsylvania on 14 February 1737

Some online trees list Daniel Guthrie’s parents as William Guthrie & Nancy Bussell. No documentation found to prove this connection. His birth is also given as being in Pennsylvania, but still looking for proof.

Lawrence R Guthrie speculates that Daniel Guthrie was a brother of Hugh Guthrie of Huntington County, Pennsylvania.

1750: FORMATION of CUMBERLAND COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania

The General Assembly of the Pennsylvania colony on 27 January 1750 created Cumberland County from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, naming it for Cumberland, England.

1755: FRENCH & INDIAN WAR – BRADDOCK’S DEFEAT

According to family tradition, Daniel Guthrie participated in the French & Indian Wars and was present at Braddock’s Defeat. He would have been about 18 years of age.

1762: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARY GUTHRIE
Colonial Pennsylvania

Mary Guthrie is listed in trees as the daughter of Daniel Guthrie and his wife Jane. However, Jane would have been only 15 at the time of Mary’s birth, with a significant gap in years before the next child’s birth. Possible that Mary is Daniel’s daughter by a previous marriage.

1771: FORMATION of BEDFORD COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA

Bedford County was created on 9 March 1771 from part of Cumberland County and named in honor of Fort Bedford. The 1767 Mason-Dixon Line had stabilized the southern border with Maryland. 

1774: BIRTH of SON – HUGH GUTHRIE
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

1774: TAX RECORDS
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

Inmates (tenants or leasees) among others:
Guthry, Daniel (assessment) 11 shillings
Guthrey, Hugh 11 shillings

1775: BIRTH of SON – SAMUEL GUTHRIE
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

1775: TAX RECORDS
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

Inmates included:
Daniel Guthery, one pound six shilligs
Hugh Guthery, two pounds

1776: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ANN GUTHRIE
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

1776: TAX RECORDS
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

Guthery, Daniel, uncultivated land tax 6 pounds, 11-1/2 shillings; provincial tax 2 pounds, 5 shillings.

1778: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MARY GUTHRIE
Bedford County, Pennsylvania, USA in September 1778

Mary Guthrie married Thomas Cullen Pridemore. She was about 16 years old. They made the move to Lawrence County, Indiana. They had 13 children. Mary died there 21 Sep 1833, and Thomas died in 1839.

1777: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – SARAH GUTHRIE
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

1778: TAX RECORDS
Tod Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania, USA

Hugh Gutroy, 120 acres, 2 horses, 1 cow.

1778-1783: RANGERS of the FRONTIERS
Bedford County, Pennsylvania

Daniel Guthery was a member of the Bedford County Militia, and a soldier in the Revolutionary War. Hugh Guthery was also on the Continental line.

1779: Tax Records
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania, USA

Daniel Guthrie, 50 acres, 1 horse, 2 cattle.
Hugh Guthrie, no land given, 2 horses, 4 cattle

1780: BIRTH of SON – DANIEL GUTHRIE
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

1783: BIRTH of SON – WILLIAM GUTHRIE
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania

1783: SUPPLY TAX
Hopewell Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania, USA

Guthery, Hugh, 400 acres, 2 horses, 4 pounds 17 shillings 6 pence
Guthery, Daniel, 100 acres, 2 cattle, tax 1 pound 3 shillings 7 pence

1784: RETURN of LANDS and POPULATION
Bedford County, Pennsylvania, USA

Guthery, Hugh, 400 acres, 1 house, 6 whites
Guthery, Daniel, no acreage given, 1 house, 8 whites

1785: BIRTH of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE
Russell, Virginia, USA on 8 Nov 1785

1787: FORMATION of HUNTINGDON COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA

Huntingdon was formed from Bedford County, PA. Hugh Guthrie appears to have lived in the portion of the county that became Huntingdon, for he later shows up in tax records there.

1788: TAX RECORDS
Hopewell Township, Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania, USA

Guthery, Hugh, 120 acres, 2 horses, 1 cattle. Tax 9 pounds, 2 shillings

1789: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – PATIENCE GUTHRIE
Virginia, USA

1790: US CENSUS of PENNSYLVANIA
Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania, USA

Gutry, Hugh, 1 free white male above 16, 1 free white male under 16, 3 free white females

This is the last entry found for Hugh Guthrie

1795: MOVED to LEE COUNTY, VIRGINIA

According to the oral history of the Guthrie family, they moved to Lee County, Virginia about 1795 where they had the Flinn family and the Daniel Boone family as neighbors.

About 1805: MOVED to KENTUCKY

This is a rough estimate based on the family’s reported movements. Daniel Boone induced some of the Guthries and Flinns to move to his Kentucky settlement, but they were unhappy with the situation there resolving to move to Indiana.

1809-1810: LAWRENCE COUNTY, INDIANA

Daniel & Jane’s sons, Daniel and John Guthrie, along with William & Jacob Flinn, went to Lawrence County, Indiana in the Fall of 1809. They erected a log cabin there, and then returned to Kentucky for a few months before returning to Indiana. The following Spring the remainder of the family followed.

1826: DEATHS of DANIEL & JANE GUTHRIE
Leesville, Lawrence County, Indiana, USA

Jane Guthrie died on 18 Aug 1826 and Daniel Guthrie on 17 Sep 1828. They are buried at the Flinn Cemetery in Leesville.


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