C: Thomas Guthrie & Mary Russell

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG8A – BRANCH C

Thomas Guthrie 1800NC-c1854TN & Mary Russell
of Warren & Van Buren Counties, Tennessee, USA

Since Thomas’s direct Guthrie descendant possesses the Y-DNA profile for GFG8A, there is a good chance that his line originates with Thomas Guthrie & Mary Cason (GFG8A – Branch A), or from a closely related collateral line.

According to the 1850 census, Thomas Guthrie was born in North Carolina, which was home to GFG8A’s Branch B Nelson Guthrie & Catherine Lowe, and the theorized extended families in the Lincoln County, NC region. One of those families was headed by Carter Guthrie, a potential brother to Nelson. Carter Guthrie is also found living in Warren County, TN in 1830, a location where Thomas Guthrie is known to have lived during the mid to late 1830s.

I don’t have much family background information on this Thomas Guthrie. If he is the man listed in the 1840 Warren County, TN Census, it would indicate that he had a wife and family prior to his marriage to Mary Russell in 1847. The first wife’s identity is unknown. One daughter, and one of the three sons have presumably been identified.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG8A
Group Designation: Branch C – (The Guthries of Warren & VanBuren, TN)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-M269

YDNA Matches: 1
Kit 688761
Thomas Guthrie/Mary Russell > England Levy Guthrie (GGP) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits: 1
Kit 336641

Thomas Guthrie/Mary Russell > England Levi Guthrie/Lucinda Sparkman > William Lee Guthrie/Oakla Mae Moss (GGP) +more


Findings:

Our Y-DNA Participant for Kit 688761 is a genetic match for GFG8A, which indicates the original paternal source is likely a man of the Vaughan surname from the 1600s-early 1700s.

This is a Y-67 marker test matching Group Mode DNA 65/67. There are 2 variances compared to the most common value found for the group at any given genetic marker.

DYS641 = 11 versus Group Mode = 10. Value is unique to this kit.
DYS444 = 13 versus Group Mode = 12. Also found in Kit B227026, whose surname is McCarter. No known Guthrie or Vaughan connection. Ancestor lived in Christian County, Kentucky.

THE FAMILY of THOMAS GUTHRIE & MARY RUSSELL

THOMAS GUTHRIE
Born: About 1800
Location: North Carolina
Married 1st: Unidentified Spouse
Married 2nd: Mary Russell in Van Buren, TN on 17 March 1847
Occupation: Farmer
Died: About 1854
Location: Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA
Burial: Unknown, Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA, presumably


UNIDENTIFIED SPOUSE
Born: About 1800, presumably
Location: North Carolina or Tennessee, presumably
Sons: Unidentified Guthrie (b.1821-1825), Unidentified Guthrie (b. 1831-1835), Alexander C Guthrie (1834)
Daughters: Elizabeth J Guthrie (1828)
Died: 1840-1847
Location: Tennessee, presumably in Warren County
Burial: Tennessee, presumably in Warren County


MARY RUSSELL
Born: 1828
Location: Tennessee, USA
Sons: Thomas Guthrie (1849), Levi Guthrie (1851), England Levi Guthrie (1853), Monroe Guthrie (1854)
Daughters: Martha J Guthrie (1848)
Died: 6 May 1904
Location: Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA
Burial: Laurel Creek Cemetery in Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA


CHILDREN:

UNIDENTIFIED GUTHRIE (SON)
1821TN-Unknown

This boy is enumerated within Thomas Guthrie’s household during the 1840 census and is inferred to be his son. He was born between 1821-1825. No further data found.


ELIZABETH J GUTHRIE
1828TN-1862TX

Elizabeth J Guthrie was born about 1828 in Van Buren County, TN. I have no specific document linking her to parent Thomas Guthrie. However, she was married in Van Buren County, TN, and meets the age criteria for the female child in his household during the 1840 census.

Elizabeth married James Monroe Fleming on 15 August 1844. They had 5 children. This couple moved to Anderson, Texas, where they, their children, and Elizabeth’s brother Anderson were enumerated in 1850. They moved back to Tennessee and were in Rutherford in 1860, and then returned to Texas 1-2 years later settling in Pecos County, TX where Elizabeth died in January of 1862. She is buried at Fort Stockton.

Children: 5
Fleming Sons: Leonados Fleming (1845), John Thomas Fleming (1852)
Fleming Daughters: Martha Jane Fleming (1847), Mary Eliza Fleming (1849), Nancy Lodema Fleming (1853)

Family Finder Participants: None


UNIDENTIFIED GUTHRIE (SON)
1831TN-1835

This boy is enumerated within Thomas Guthrie’s household during the 1840 census and is inferred to be his son. He was born between 1831-1835. No further data found.


ALEXANDER C GUTHRIE
1834TN-1902TX

Alexander Guthrie was born in Tennessee a bout 1834. He was enumerated in the household of his parents in 1840. His mother died between the time of his birth and 1847 when his father, Thomas Guthrie remarried. When his older sister, Elizabeth (Guthrie) Fleming and family moved to Texas, so did Alexander. When they returned to Tennessee, Alexander apparently stayed in Texas.

He married Exonia E Hunter about 1853. They ran a boarding house in Gainesville, Cooke County, Texas. No children. I found no obituary for him in Texas papers, but the following was posted in the St. Louis Republic on 22 August 1902 in St Louis Missouri: A. C. Guthrie. Republic Special. Gainesville, Tex., Aug 21– A. C. Guthrie, an old citizen of this city, died last night after an illness of several months.

There are a number of probate documents found for him at Family Search that include reports from a lawsuit.

Alexander C Guthrie was buried at Fairview Cemetery. Exonia died in 1909. Her will is found at Family Search. She is also buried at Fairview Cemetery.

Children: None


MARTHA J GUTHRIE
1848TN-p1880TN

Martha J Guthrie was born in Van Buren County, Tennessee about 1848. She married Helm/Hellen Slatton about 1876. They were living in District 5 of the county during the 1880 census. Martha died sometime after that. They were parents to 3 children. Her husband remarried in 1895 to Minnie Young, with whom he had 1 daughter.

Children: 3
Slatton Sons: Thomas Alexander Slatton (1872)
Slatton Daughters: Mary Slatton (1874), Martha Samantha Slatton (1878)

Family Finder Participants: No


THOMAS GUTHRIE
1849TN-p1870

Thomas Guthrie was enumerated with his family in Van Buren and Warren Counties, TN during the 1850 and 1870 censuses. I can’t find them in 1860. No further data.


LEVI GUTHRIE
1851TN-1879TN

Presumed to be a son of Thomas Guthrie & Mary Russell. The US Federal Mortality Schedule for 1880 includes:

Levi Guthery Gender Male Race White Marital Status Married Estimated Birth Year abt 1851 Birth Place Tennessee, USA Age 28 Death Date Sep 1879 Cause of Death Liver Inflammation Census year 1880 Census Place District 1, 2 and 7, Van Buren, TN


ENGLAND LEVI GUTHRIE
1853TN-1922TN

England Levi Guthrie’s death record confirms his parents to be Thomas Guthrie and Mary Russell. He was born on 30 January 1853. He married aboutt 1879 to Lucinda ‘Lucy’ Sparkman. They lived in Van Buren, Warren, DeKalb, Counties, Tennessee with their 6 children. Lucy died in 1906. England Levi remarried to Lula Messick on 27 Sep 1913 in Coffee County, Tennessee, by whom he had 1 daughter. They returned to Warren County and were living in McMinnville at the time of his death on 11 September 1922. Lula died in 1937.

Children: 7
Sons: Charles Thomas Guthrie (1878), Acy ‘A.C.’ Levi Guthrie (1883), William Lee Guthrie (1891)
Daughters: Mollie Guthrie (1881), Ellen Guthrie (1885), Effie Guthrie (1887), Annie Mozelle Guthrie (1919)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: Yes


MONROE GUTHRIE
1854TN-1879TN

Monroe Guthrie was born on 25 February 1854. He was listed in the 1870 census wit his widowed mother, sister Martha, and brother Thomas. I don’t find the family in the 1860 census. Monroe died at the age of 25 on 10 October 1879 in Van Buren County, Tennessee. No further details.

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

About 1800: BIRTH of THOMAS GUTHRIE
North Carolina, USA, possibly in Lincoln County

Other branches of GFG8A were located in Lincoln County, TN, so it is possible that this Thomas Guthrie depends from Branch A or an associated family line. Census estimates place his birth year at about 1800.

About 1828: BIRTH of MARY RUSSELL
Tennessee, USA

About 1820: MARRIAGE (1st) of THOMAS GUTHRIE & UNKNOWN BRIDE
Tennessee, USA, presumably in Warren County

The 1840 census of Warren County, TN tells us that Thomas Guthrie had a wife and family before his marriage to Mary Russell in 1848.

1821-1825: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) UNIDENTIFIED SON
Tennessee, USA

About 1828: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – ELIZABETH J GUTHRIE
Tennessee, USA

1830: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE, USA
Warren & White Counties, Tennessee, USA

Carter Gutrey Household in Warren County:
1 – Male 50-59 (1771-1780)
1 – Female 40-49 (1781-1790)
2 – Males 15-19 (1811-1815)
1 – Male 10-14 (1816-1820)
2 – Males 5-9 (1821-1825)

Luke Guttry Household in Warren County:
1 – Male 20-30 (1800-1810)
1 – Female 20-30 (1800-1810)
1 – Female 5-10 (1820-1825)
1 – Male under 5 (1826-1830)
1 – Female under 5 (1826-1830)

Willoughby Guthrie Household in White County:
1 – Female 50-59 (1800-1810)
1 – Male – 30-39 (1791-1800)
1 – Male 20-29 (1801-1810)
1 – Female 20-29 (1801-1810)

There are several Thomas Guthrie households in Tennessee:
Thomas Guthrie of Wilson County
1 – Female 30-39
1 – Male 20-29
1 Female under 5
8 – Slaves
Status: Ruled Out
Identity: Thomas Guthrie 1794NC-c1849TN son of Wm Guthrie & Obedience Muckelroy, married to Nancy Hunt. This man was still in Wilson County, TN in 1840.

Thomas Guthrie of Marion County
1 – Male 30-39
1 – Female 20-29
1 – Male 15-19
1 – Female 15-19
2 – Males Under 5
Status: Ruled Out.
Identity: Thomas Yoner Guthrie 1803TN-a1880AL & Emeline Markham

Thomas Guthrie of McMinn County
1 – Male 20-29
1 – Female 20-29
1 – Male 5-9
1 – Male under 5
1 – Female under 5
Status: Ruled Out.
Identity: Thomas Guthrie 1796VA-1890TN m. Catherine Cox. Died McMinn.

Thomas Guthrie / Gaither of Lincoln County
1 – Male 50-59
1 – Female 50-59
1 – Female 15-19
Status: Ruled Out. Too Old

None of these men appear to be this Thomas Guthrie, so it is possible that he was living within a different household.

1831-1835: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) UNIDENTIFIED SON
Tennessee, USA

1834: BIRTH of SON – ALEXANDER C GUTHRIE
Tennessee, USA

1836: TENNESSEE EARLY TAX LIST RECORDS
Warren County, Tennessee, USA

Guthrey, Thomas – Acres of Land (None Listed), Value (None Listed), Tax (None Listed), School Land 25, Value 50, Tax 2-1/2

1838: TENNESSEE EARLY TAX LIST RECORDS
Warren County, Tennessee, USA

Guthrey, Thomas – Acres of Land (None Listed), Value (None Listed), Tax (None Listed), School Land 25, Value 50, Tax 2-1/2, 1 White Poll, Tax 12-1/2

1838: TENNESSEE EARLY TAX LIST RECORDS
White County, Tennessee, USA

Guthry, Thomas – Acres of Land (None Listed), Value (None Listed), Tax (None Listed), School Land 100, Value 50, Tax 25

1840: FORMATION of VAN BUREN COUNTY, TENNESSEE
White, Warren & Bledsoe Counties, Tennessee, USA on 3 January 1840

1840: US CENSUS of TENNESSSEE
Warren County, Tennessee, USA

Thomas Guthrie Household:
1 – Male 30-39 (1801-1810)
1 – Female 30-39 (1801-1810)
1 – Male 15-19 (1821-1825)
1 – Female 10-14 (1826-1830)
2 – Males 5-9 (1831-1835)

1840-1847: DEATH of THOMAS GUTHRIE’S 1ST WIFE

1847: MARRIAGE of THOMAS GUTHRIE & MARY RUSSELL
Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA on 17 March 1847

1848: BIRTH of DAUGHTER – MARTHA J GUTHRIE
Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA

1849: BIRTH of SON – THOMAS GUTHRIE
Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA

1850: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
District 8, Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA

The Guthrie Household:
Thomas Guthrey 50 M Farmer Real Estate 75 North Carolina
Mary Guthrey 24 F Tennessee cannot read/write
Martha J Guthrey 2 F Tennessee
Thomas Guthrey 1 M Tennessee

1851: BIRTH of (PRESUMED) SON – LEVI GUTHRIE
Tennessee, USA, presumably in Van Buren County

…or maybe not.

The 1900 census indicates that Mary (Russell) Guthrie had 4 children only 1 of whom was living in 1900. This suggests that this Levi Guthrie may not be her son. Children Martha J Guthrie, Thomas Guthrie and Monroe are listed with Mary in Census records. Son England Levi Guthrie’s death record lists his parents as Thomas Guthrie & Mary Russell.

1853: BIRTH of SON – ENGLAND LEVI GUTHRIE
Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA on 30 Jan 1853

1854: BIRTH of SON – MONROE GUTHRIE
Tennessee, USA, presumably in Van Buren County on 25 February 1854

About 1854: DEATH of THOMAS GUTHREY

1860: US CENSUS
I cannot find this family in the 1860 census. Any luck?

1862: DEATH of DAUGHTER – ELIZABETH J (GUTHRIE) FLEMING
Pecos County, Texas, USA in January 1862

1870: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
District 2, Warren County, Tennessee, USA

The Guthrie Household / Post Office – McMinnville:
Mary Guthrie 44 F W Keeping House TN
Martha Guthrie 20 F W Keeping House TN
Thomas Guthrie 19 M W Farm Labor TN
Monroe Guthrie 14 M W Farm Labor TN
All listed as ‘Cannot Read’ and ‘Cannot Write’

About 1871: MARRIAGE of DAUGHTER – MARTHA J GUTHRIE
Warren or Van Buren County, Tennessee, presumably

Daughter Martha J Guthrie married Hellem Slatton about 1871. They had three children born prior to the 1880 census. Martha’s widowed mother, Mary (Russell) Guthrie was living with them at the time. Children: Thomas Alexander Slatton (1872), Mary Slatton (1874), Martha Samantha Slatton (1878). Martha died between 1880-1895, probably closer to 1880 as there were no other children. Hellem remarried on 5 May 1895 in Warren County, TN to Minnie Young. They had 1 daughter, Maggie Slatton (1898).

About 1879: MARRIAGE (1st) of SON – ENGLAND LEVI GUTHRIE
Tennessee, USA, presumably in Van Buren County

England Levi Guthrie married Lucinda ‘Lucy’ Sparkman about 1879. They raised their children in Van Buren and Warren Counties, Tennessee. Three sons and three daughters: Charles Thomas Guthrie (1878), Mollie Guthrie (1881), Acy ‘A.C.’ Levi Guthrie (1883), Ellen Guthrie (1885), Effie Guthrie (1887), and William Lee Guthrie (1891). His wife Lucy died in 1906, so England Levi Guthrie was living with his daughter Mollie and her family during the 1910 census in DeKalb County, TN. He remarried in 1913 to Lula Messick.

1879: DEATH of SON – MONROE GUTHRIE
Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA on 10 Oct 1879

Monroe Guthrie was only 25 at the time of his death.

1880: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
District 5, Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA

The Slatton Household:
Hellom Slatton W M 26 Married Farmer Months Unemployed 3 TN SC TN
Martha Slatton W F 29 Married Keeping House Cannot Write TN x3
Thomas A Slatton W M 8 Son TNx3
Mary Slatton W F 6 Daughter TNx3
Martha Slatton W F 2 Daughter TNx3
Mary Guthrie W F 46 Widowed Mother-in-Law Domestic Laborer Cannot Read or Write TNx3

1900: US CENSUS of TENNESSEE
Civil District 6, Van Buren, Tennessee, USA

The Russell Household:
Thomas Russell Head W M Nov 1825 76 marriedx11 TNx3 Farmer
Eleanor M Russell Wife W F Apr 1847 53 married x11 n children TN, NC, TN
Mary A Guthrie Sister W F __1828 72 Widowed 4 children 1 living TNx3
John Grissom Servant W M Feb 1877 22 Single TNx3 Farm Laborer

1902: DEATH of SON – ALEXANDER C GUTHRIE
Gainesville, Cooke County, Texas, USA in August 1902

1904: DEATH of MARY (RUSSELL) GUTHRIE
Van Buren County, Tennessee, USA on 6 May 1904

Mary is buried at Laurel Creek Cemetery.

1913: MARRIAGE (2nd) of SON – ENGLAND LEVI GUTHRIE
Coffee County, Tennessee, USA on 27 Sep 1913

Widower England Levi Guthrie married again on 27 September 1913 in Coffee County, TN to Lula Messick. They had 1 daughter: Annie Mozelle Guthrie (1919_

1922: DEATH of SON – ENGLAND LEVI GUTHRIE
McMinnville, Warren County, Tennessee, USA on 11 Sep 1922


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