B: John Guthrie & Bridget Healy

ORIGIN THEORIES for GFG9 – BRANCH B

John Guthrie 1817IRE-1864LA & Bridget T Healy
of County Clare, Ireland and New York, New York, USA

The majority of information about John Guthrie and his wife Bridget Healy comes from her Civil War Widow’s Pension Application and from Census Records.

Both John Guthrie and Bridget Healy were born in Ireland in 1843. They were married in County Clare. They had 5 children: Patrick, John, Hanna, James, and Bridget Adelia. There is no mention of a daughter Susan who was born in Massachusetts in 1847 even though she is living with them in 1860. No relationship is given.

Verified birth and baptismal records for the children are included in the pension application file. One of the witnesses for daughter Hanna’s baptism was Thos. Guthrie, most likely a relative of John’s.

Unlike most of our protestant Guthrie immigrant families these folks were of the Roman Catholic faith.

John was a Civil War Union soldier in Company F 165th NY Infantry who went Missing in Action in Louisiana, and was presumed to be captured and died, or Killed in Action. See Widow’s Pension 112966 at Fold3.

THE GUTHRIE DNA PROJECT

Guthrie Family Group: GFG9
Group Designation: Branch B – (The Guthries of County Clare, Ireland)

Haplogroup: R-M269
Confirmed Haplogroup: R-M269

YDNA Matches: 1
Kit N71610
John Guthrie/Bridget T Healy > James Joseph Guthrie/Bridget Agnes Bresland (GP) +more


Family Finder / Autosomal DNA Kits:
None


Findings:

Kit N71610 is a transferred 12-marker Y-DNA test. We usually prefer a Y-37 test for matching purposes. He matches our GFG9 – Branch A participant on 11/12 markers. This match to GFG9 is not 100% certain, especially as there is no known historical connection between the two lines. He has 19 matches with men of the Green surname and 4 of the Padgett surname, which are the primary surnames appearing for the participant from GFG9-Branch A. However, he has 41 matches at the Y12 level to men of the Guthrie surname, but due to the minimal number of markers, he matches multiple unrelated groups. Probably more of a match to ancient relationships rather than genealogical ones. This kit needs an upgrade to Y37 or Y67 markers, and we need more descendants of both Branch A and Branch B to compare.

THE FAMILY of JOHN GUTHRIE & BRIDGET HEALY

JOHN GUTHRIE
Born: About 1817
Location: Ireland, probably County Clare, Munster Province
Married: Bridget T Healy in County Clare, Ireland on 15 Feb 1843
Occupation: Blacksmith
Died: 1864, on or about 9 May
Location: Battle of Sabine Crossroads, Louisiana (Civil War Engagement)
Buried: Unknown, presumably Louisiana


BRIDGET T HEALY
Born: About 1822
Location: Ireland, probably County Clare, Munster Province
Sons: Patrick F Guthrie (1851), John Guthrie (1853), James Joseph Guthrie (1857)
Daughters: Hanna Guthrie (1855), Bridget Adelia Guthrie (1860)
Died: After 1880
Location: New York, New York, USA, presumably
Buried: Unknown, presumably in New York, USA


CHILDREN:

SUSAN GUTHRIE
1847MA-1899NY

Susan Guthrie is listed with the family in the 1860 NY census as a 13 year old. She is inferred to be John and Bridget’s daughter. Susan is not listed in her mother’s Widow’s Pension application as she was already over the age of 16 and therefore ineligible for inclusion in the pension.

Based on the presence of John Clancy, aged 10, whose mother was born in MA, living with Bridget Guthrie in 1880, I believe that Susan Guthrie married a Clancy. The 1865 NY State Census of Brooklyn, Kings, NY lists a John Clancy, 27, and Susan Clancy, 17 (born about 1848) that is a likely possibility for this daughter.

Children: 1
Clancy Sons: John Clancy (1870)
Clancy Daughters: None Known

Family Finder Participants: None


PATRICK F GUTHRIE
1851NY-1929

Patrick F Guthrie was born in New York City on 7 November 1851 and baptized on 9 November 1851 by Rev. M Curran, pastor of St Andrews Roman Catholic Church. Witnesses were Michael Hogan and Jone Donohue.

When he was 22, Patrick married Anna T Hanily (or Hanly) in Bellville, Essex, New Jersey on 20 August 1874. They lived in Franklin, Essex, NJ, which later became Nutley. He was a News Dealer, Stationary Retailer, and Merchant. Patrick died in Nutley on 5 Jan 1929, and Anna on 5 Feb 1936.

Children: 4
Sons: John Reuben Guthrie (1875), Edmund Jerome Guthrie (1880)
Daughters: Mary Winifred Guthrie (1877), Eugenia Theodora Guthrie (1884)

Y-DNA Project Participants: No
Family Finder Participants: No


JOHN GUTHRIE
1853NY-Unknown

John Guthrie was born in New York City on 12 April 1853. He was baptized at St Andrews Roman Catholic Church on 17 April 1853 by Rev M Curran. Witnesses were Patrick McNamara and Maria Donohue.

John is found listed in the 1870 census with his widowed mother and siblings. Occupation: Engineer Apprentice.

No further data found.


HANNA ‘ANNA’ GUTHRIE
1855NY-Unknown

Hanna Guthrie was born on 8 April 1855 in New York City. She was baptized on 29 April 1855 at St Andrews Roman Catholic Church by Rev M Curran. Witnesses were Thos. Guthrie and Susan Quine.

According to her mother’s Widow’s Pension documents, Hanna had married an O’Brien.

No further data found.


JAMES JOSEPH GUTHRIE
1857NY-1935NY

James Joseph Guthrie was born on 6 May 1857. He was baptized 17 May 1857 at Transfiguration Roman Catholic Church by Reverend Benjamin J O’Callaghan. Witnesses were John Dunn and Margaret Farrell.

He was listed in the 1860, 1870, and 1880 census with his parents and siblings. He was an engineer and became a newspaper printer. James married Bridget Agnes Bresland about 1866 in New York. They had 5 children. After Agnes’ death in 1905, James remarried on 26 Nov 1909 to Susan G Bresland. She died in 1933. James’ death was on 8 June 1935 in Kings, New York, USA.

Children: 5
Sons: Alfred Regis Guthrie (1894), Walter I Guthrie (1899)
Daughters: MayRose Guthrie (1887), Edna Ella A Guthrie (1888), Agnes B Guthrie (1897)

Y-DNA Project Participants: Yes
Family Finder Participants: No


BRIDGET ‘DELIA’ GUTHRIE
1860NY-Unknown

Bridget Guthrie was born on 27 Sep 1860 and baptized 7 Oct 1860 in New York City by Rev Thomas Treanor at Transfiguration Roman Catholic Church. Witnesses were Eliza Brady and John Burke.

Instead of her baptismal name of Bridget, her friends called her ‘Delia’ or ‘Adelia’. She was living with her widowed mother and siblings through the 1880 census when she was 20 years of age.

According to her mother’s Widow’s Pension application, Delia married a Flanagan. A statement by Bridget Flanighan attached to the pension claim records indicates she is living in Brooklyn, Kings, NY as of 27 May 1867.

No further data found.

HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

About 1817: BIRTH of JOHN GUTHRIE
Ireland, possibly County Clare

John Guthrie’s marriage to Bridget Healy took place in County Clare, Ireland in 1843. This is a likely location for his birthplace.

About 1822: BIRTH of BRIDGET T HEALY
Ireland, possibly County Clare

Bridget Healy’s marriage to John Guthrie took place in County Clare in 1843, Ireland, so it is a likely location for her birthplace.

County Clare
Province of Munster

1843: MARRIAGE of JOHN GUTHRIE & BRIDGET T HEALY
County Clare, Ireland on 15 February 1843

They were married by the Rev. Mr. Shehan, minister of the gospel in County Clare on 15 Feb 1843.

1843-1851: AMERICAN IMMIGRATION

We don’t know exactly when John & Bridget Guthrie arrived in America, but it would be sometime after their 1843 marriage in Ireland and the 1847 birth of their daughter Susan Guthrie’s in Massachusetts. The location of her birth suggests that they arrived at the port of Boston prior to moving to New York City.

1847: BIRTH of SUSAN GUTHRIE
Massachusetts, USA

Susan Guthrie, 13, is listed with John and Bridget’s family in New York in 1860. There are no relationships given on this census, but she is listed in order right along with the other children later documented to be Bridget’s children. The Widow’s Pension application indicates only 5 children, names them, and identifies their dates of birth and baptism. Susan is not included, but this is likely because she is already over the age of 16 at the time of the application.

1850: US CENSUS
Not found.

1851: BIRTH & BAPTISM of SON – PATRICK F GUTHRIE
New York, USA

Patrick Guthrie was born on 7 November 1851 and baptized at St Andrews Roman Catholic Church, Duane Street, on 9 November 1851 by Rev. M. Curran. Witnesses were Michael Hogan and Jone Donohue.

1853: BIRTH & BAPTISM of SON – JOHN GUTHRIE
New York, USA

John Guthrie was born on 12 April 1853 and baptized on 17 April 1853 at St Andrews Roman Catholic Church by Rev. M. Curran. Witnesses were Patrick McNamara and Maria Donohue.

1855: BIRTH & BAPTISM of DAUGHTER – HANNA GUTHRIE
New York, USA

Hanna Guthrie was born on 8 April 1855 and baptized 29 April 1855 by Rev. M Curran of St Andrews Roman Catholic Church. Witnesses were Thomas Guthrie and Susan Quine.

1857: BIRTH & BAPTISM of SON – JAMES JOSEPH GUTHRIE
New York, USA

James Guthrie was born on 6 May 1857 and baptized on 17 May 1857 by Rev Benjamin J O’Callaghan at Transfiguration Roman Catholic Church. John Dunn and Margaret Farrell were present as witnesses.

1860: BIRTH & BAPTISM of DAUGHTER – BRIDGET GUTHRIE
New York, USA

Bridget Guthrie was born 27 September 1860 and baptized 7 October 1860 at Transfiguration Roman Catholic Church by Rev. Thomas Treanor. The witnesses were Eliza Brady and John Burke.

1860: US CENSUS of NEW YORK
New York Ward 6, District 3, New York City, New York, USA on 28 June 1860

Family No. 955
John Guthery 43 M Blacksmith Ireland Cannot Read/Write
Bridget Guthery 34 F Housekeeper Ireland Cannot Read/Write
Susan Guthery 13 F Massachusetts
Patk. Guthery 10 M New York attended school
John Guthery 7 M New York attended school
Hannah Guthery 5 F New York attended school
James Guthery 3 M New York

1864: DEATH of JOHN GUTHRIE
Louisiana, CSA

On 3 Feb 1864, John Guthrie had joined the Union Army as a private in Company F, 165th Regiment, New York State Infantry. His enlistment was for a period of 3 years. A regiment muster roll dated 1 Sep 1865 indicates that John Guthrie, private, went missing in action on 8 April 1864 at Sabine Crossroads. There was no evidence of his death given in that record. Another document within the pension application records states that John Guthrie was wounded at the Battle of Sabine Crossroads May 8th 1864 and died on the 9th.

1868: WIDOW’S PENSION APPROVED
New York, USA on 1 May 1868

Bridget (Healy) Guthrie applied for a Widow’s Pension (with Minor Children) and was awarded a certificate for $8 per month commencing on 8 April 1864 (backdated) and $2 per month for each of the minor children named commencing on 25 July 1866 (backdated).

1870: CENSUS of NEW YORK
New York Ward 6, District 6, New York, New York, USA

Family No. 295
Pat. Guthrie 19 M W Engineer PE Value 500 New York Parents Foreign Birth
John Guthrie 17 M W Engineer Apprentice NY Parents of Foreign Birth
Anna Guthrie 16 F W NY Parents of Foreign Birth
James Guthrie 13 M W NY Parents of Foreign Birth, attended school
Delia Guthrie 10 F W NY Parents of Foreign Birth, attended school
Bridget Guthrie 48 F W Ireland Parents of Foreign Birth, cannot write
John Purdy 30 M W Engineer Ireland Parents of Foreign Birth, cannot read/write
Wm Purdy 25 M W Machinist Ireland Parents of Foreign Birth

1875: US CITY DIRECTORY: Goulding’s Manual of New York
New York, New York, USA

Guthrie, Bridget, wid. John, h 31 Monroe
Guthrie, Patrick, printer, h 35 Norfolk

1876: US CITY DIRECTORY: New York, NY, City Directory
New York, New York, USA

Guthrie, Bridget, wid. John, h 31 Monroe
Guthrie, Patrick, printer, h 35 Norfolk

1879: US CITY DIRECTORY: New York, NY, City Directory
New York, New York, USA

Guthrie, Brigitta, wid. John, h 107 Chrystie

1880: US CITY DIRECTORY: New York, NY, City Directory
New York, New York, USA

Guthrie, Bridget T. wid. John, h 107 Chrystie
Guthrie, James J. printer, h 107 Chrystie

1880: US CENSUS of NEW YORK
New York City, New York, New York, USA on 3 June 1880

107 Chrystie Street
Dwelling Number 22
Family Number 134
Guthrie, Bridget W F 55 Widowed Keeping House (no longer listed as illiterate) Ireland x3
Guthrie, James W M 23 son single Engineer NY, IRE, IRE
Guthrie, Delia W F 20 daughter single Operator NY, IRE, IRE
Clancy, John W M 10 boarder single At School NY, IRE, MASS

After 1880: DEATH of BRIDGET (HEALY) GUTHRIE
New York, USA, presumably


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