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My Name is Alex Smith, My father ( Who I have never met was born as a Guthrie) His father died when he was 3 years old and my grandmother married a smith, When my dad entered Vietnam he changed his last name to smith ho help identify if he died or not. I have never met anyone on my fathers side and he has had no other children. so it seems like I might be the end of the line in away. I was wondering if you could help me in any way, I always wanted to find out information about my dads side.
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Have you considered a DNA test? Your direct paternal line DNA should technically match ‘Guthrie’ DNA, so a Y-DNA 37-marker test (available at Family Tree DNA) should match you up with other men who share the same genetic ancestral profile. This might help you determine various Guthrie lineages that are related to yours. Another option is to add an Autosomal DNA test (like AncestryDNA or FTDNA’s Family Finder test). The Ancestry test will give you the most matches. This type of test links you up to all relatives with whom you share segments of ancestral DNA, which would include your Guthrie family. Hopefully, you would get some matches to close family members that might provide some clues to help you identify your Guthrie family.
My brother did the AncestryDNA test. Our ancestor is William Guthrie b abt 1820 in Missouri and died 1896 in Oregon. He married Mary J Ivines/Evans b Feb 1833 in Tennessee and died after 1903. Their marriage is listed in your Missouri records but the name for William is spelled Guthrey. Their daughter, Laura Nancy Guthrie md William Matison/Madison Peden 14 Jan 1886 in Wymore, Gage, Nebraska and they both died in Vancouver, Clark, Washington.
How do we fit in to your Guthrie Family Groups?
Marilyn Strode Dahlquist Fitze
I am a descendant of Jane Carnes Guthrie and William Elliott, Jane is buried next to her brother whom is your ancestor William H Guthrie and his wife Mary (Evans) Guthrie at the Dallas Cemetery in Polk County, Oregon. Their brother David Morrow Guthrie is buried in the next row. They are children of James G. Guthrie and Margaret Phillips. Grandchildren of James Guthrie and Jane Carnes. I have been researching my lineage for decades and my father did since the 1940s. Hope this helps. Also my DNA connects to one of William H Guthrie’s son’s descendants also. Did your brother link himself to a tree showing his lineage to William Guthrie? If so it should link to me on AncestryDNA.
William H Guthrie and Mary Jane Evans or Ivines do not currently have genetic evidence or documentation that identifies their Guthrie family group. We don’t have a Y-DNA participant (a direct line male Guthrie) in the DNA project to represent their line. As far as I know we do not have any descendant of this couple in the project, so I encourage you to ask your brother to provide me (Ancestry Username: AnnGU3) with viewer access to his AncestryDNA test. The results may skew toward one particular group, or at least narrow down the field.
Since William and Mary Jane married in Nodaway County, Missouri in 1853, it is possible that William was already living there in 1850. The county was formed in 1845 from the Platte Purchase of 1836, so the entire area was growing at a fast rate receiving an influx of settlers over a 14 year period. I did not find any Guthrie families (or their variant spellings) in the 1850 census for Nodaway, but there are two families nearby in Andrew County, MO (a GFG2A-Branch A family), Holt County, MO (a GFG2A-Branch G family).
Note that the head of the GFG2A-Branch A family in Andrew County was a Cumberland Presbyterian Minister and the marriage record for William and Mary Jane shows they were married by the Rev Wm F Bell, a Methodist Episcopalian Minister. Chances are that William was not directly related to the GFG2A-Branch A family.
The Holt County, MO family seems to be buried at the Benton Church Cemetery in Forest City. I think it is associated with the Methodist Episcopalian Church. A biographical sketch of the Rev William F Bell mentions that he worked the Nodaway county circuit as he rode county to county preaching and performing services.
Wiliam Guthrie was born about 1817. According to all of the census records this happened in Missouri, which became a state in 1821. Examining the Branch G family later listed in the census records, there are several possible spots in their family tree that could potentially be William. My guess for his parents: James G Guthrie 1793KY – 1873Nodaway, MO and Margaret (Polly/Peggy) Phillips. Only about half of their children have been identified through other records. Based on calculations from early census records there are a daughter and three sons who remain unknown. The sons estimated DOB are 1815, 1820, and 1825. William would fit into either the 1815 or 1820 slots if he is indeed their son.
Check my Guthrie Research Tree:
Note that some online trees have linked your William Guthrie as the son of William H Guthrie 1779VA-1840OH & Rachel Jones. This couple lived primarily in Ohio after their marriage. William H Guthrie is a descendant of GFG1A being the son of James Guthrie & Jane Candler. The trees actually list him as William Candler Guthrie. They did have a son named William Guthrie born in 1817 Virginia, but he died at 17 years of age in Williams County, Ohio.
Hello, I was going through Campbell County VA court records and came across this in Book 7, page 229, Jan 1803:
Commonwealth vs. Gutrey &al, the defendant being solemnly called & came not it is ordered that a Scirefacious issue agt him & his securities.
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Cwealth vs. Gutrey, (John scratched out) Patience (inserted) Lane & Sophia Evans allowed 2 days attendance.
I’m still looking so I may find subsequent entries. For several years I have researched Absalom Lane who married Polly Guthrie and somehow became guardian of her children after she passed. I haven’t been able to figure that situation out. The above entry doesn’t help. Any idea who Sophia Evans is? I can assume that Patience Lane is a daughter of John Lane but I don’t know for sure. I have calculated that Absalom should be a grandson of John Lane. Not sure why this took place in Campbell, but the Lanes were well established there so it’s makes sense on their side. Can you shed any light? Or put me in touch with someone who is researching the Halifax Travis Guthrie family?
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Just a shot in the dark, but if Patience Lane was the daughter of John Lane, her children would be the heirs of their grandfather and mother. The laws at the time (and possibly today) require guardianship on behalf of minor heirs. That was usually their father if he was alive or a close male relative. If the estate in question was in Campbell county, the guardianship of the heirs would probably also be established there. Although I do have Polly Guthrey and Absalom Lane and family in my Guthrie Research Tree, the Halifax VA Guthrie family is not my personal area of family research. I am unfamiliar with the details. One of our project co-admins, James Guthrie, is the expert on those Halifax VA families. I am not certain if he is able to discuss genealogy at this time, but you can email him at email@example.com.
My maiden is Jennifer Marie Guthrie,my dad Marvin R.Guthrie,his dad Russell T.Guthrie,his dad Warren p.Guthrie sr.i was born in Lynchburg va my dad father Russell was born in halifax,va
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Hi Jennifer. Did you have a question about your family, or were you just saying hi? If I identified the correct line for your grandfather, you belong to Guthrie Family Group 4: Descendants of Thomas Guthrey & Sarah Oakes. You have 2 lines of descent from that couple. I show the following: Thomas Guthrey/Sarah Oakes > John Guthrie/Betty Ann Allen > John Guthrey/Edness Adams > Jackson Guthrie/Perlina Stowe > Jackson Guthrie/Mary Elizabeth A Guthrie* > Henry Guthrie/Ethel Cunningham > Warren Percy Guthrie. ALSO: Thomas Guthrey/Sarah Oakes > Travis Guthrey/Mary Ann Hill > James Guthrey/Mary ‘Polly’ Hubbard > Chastain Guthrie/Ann Elizabeth Sparrow > Mary Elizabeth A Guthrie/Jackson Guthrie > Henry Guthrie/Ethel Cunningham > Warren Percy Guthrie (1899VA-1960 Lynchburg, VA)
Can you trace back to what Guthrie line we belong – we are from the Australian Branch GFG7 Branch A? Thank you. Maggie
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The earliest generation of GFG7-Branch A that can be traced is John Guthrie Sr, a wright, born 1726-46 in Scotland. He had a son named John Guthrie, born on 15 Nov 1866 in Monkton and Prestwick, Ayrshire, who worked as a day laborer. He married Elizabeth ‘Betty’ Logan. They had 4 known children: Margaret, Agnes, Betty, and Charles. The latter lived in Ayrshire his entire life and was twice married. Once of his sons was Hugh Miller Guthrie 1823-1888. He is the Guthrie of this line who went to Australia. He married Jessie Thompson in Tasmania on 29 Apr 1857. There are, of course, other Guthrie men and women who settled in Australia who may or may not be associated with this particular group.
We are from the GFG7 Branch E. Thank you for your amazing research and helping the family to find their Guthrie connections. Is it possible to tell us who the ancestors are to Robert Guthrie 1760/Barbara Brown? We get so far then hit a brick wall. Going backwards in time from Robert 1760, I have John Guthrie 1738/Janet Davidson, then David Guthrie 1715/Helen Thomson; David Guthrie 1685/ Margaret Scot 1690.. thats it but I’m not sure that its correct. Can anyone help please? Thank you Kerry
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There are clues that point to a specific set of parents for the Robert Guthrie who married Barbara Brown, but you have to do a little digging in the OPR. Their marriage took place in Craigie of Ayrshire. They entered their names for proclamation of Banns on 28 March 1790. The record lists them as being from “here” indicating that they both resided in the parish.
Robert Guthrie and Barbara Brown’s family:
The baptismal records of their children indicate that they lived in Townsend/Townend of Bardwell or Barnwell in Craigie, Ayrshire, Scotland. Importantly, the 1841 census listing Robert Guthrie, 81, living with his 35 year old daughter Annabelle, reveals his age, and therefore his estimated DOB in 1760. As far as is known by these records, Robert Guthrie was likely born in Ayrshire.
A search of the Ayrshire OPR for 1755-1765 gives us 2 results: Robert Guttry, Father: John Guttry, baptized 21 Sep 1760 in Monkton and Prestwick. (The record indicates that John is a Baylie in Prestwick.) Also: Robert Gutray, Father: John Gutray, baptized 4 Oct 1765 in Tarbolton. If you expand the OPR search of 1766-1765 to all of Scotland, not just Ayrshire, you get 13 potential records. Of these 13 only one other occurs in 1760 to a Henry Guthrie/Bess Wilson in Sanday, a far less likely location.
The first record appears to be the most likely, not only because of the 1760 DOB, but because of the association with M&P. I have already reviewed all of the birth/baptismal records from M&P and placed them into their family groups based on listed location and/or occupation. The family associated with Robert (1760) is John Guthrie, a Baillie in Prestwick, and his wife Jane / Jean Dunlop. There are 10 children associated with this family.
John Guthrie, Baillie in Prestwick, and Jane/Jean Dunlop’s Family:
There are no specific documents found so far that identify the parents of John Guthrie, but it is highly likely that he did not stray far from home when he married and settled down. There is a good chance he was also born in Ayrshire. The eldest child, daughter Janet was born in 1749. We can estimate John Guthrie’s DOB as roughly 1720-1730 if he was bet. 19-29 yrs old at Janet’s birth. There are 7 baptism records for infants named John Guthrie (or variant) born in Ayrshire between 1715-1735, 1 each in Craigie, Loudon, and Barr, and 4 of them in M&P.
Other Monkton & Prestwick Families:
Other Ayrshire Families:
Dear Ann Once again you are amazing. Ill read it all tomorrow. Lol bedtime down under. Thank you Kerry.
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I’m trying to find out where the Guthrie part of my family came from. I’ve had a DNA test, autosomal but I’m female. Does that help at all?
The furthest back I can find that I’m positive about is my great great grandfather, Jackson Guthrie (1818-1904). Born in Virginia (around Halifax County). Bought land in Forsyth Co, North Carolina and was a tobacco farmer. Married Mary “Polly” Shelton while still in Virginia.
I’ve been looking at this site that seems to show a few more generations back though these names are not familiar to me:
I’m wondering if these Guthries came from Ireland or Scotland, and when.
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Looks like I don’t have Jackson & Mary ‘Polly’ (Shelton) Guthrie attached to anyone in my research tree. Coming from Halifax County, Virginia, the names you found at the other side do include a family from that region, Thomas Guthrie 1711VA-1786VA and Mary Cason. These folks are in Guthrie Family Group 8. There lineage origins are a bit complicated as there may be a Carter family involved, but it sounds like there is an earlier connection to Ireland, but we’re talking back in the late 1600s – early 1700s. Our expert on GFG8 is a co-admin for the Guthrie DNA Project, James. I will forward an email to him on your behalf. RL has been super busy for him lately. In the meantime, let’s take a look at your DNA. Yes, autosomal DNA can still be helpful. Y-DNA is obviously the best choice if you happen to be a male Guthrie, but not all of us have access to someone with eligible Y-DNA. If your DNA test is at FTDNA, just complete a Project Join Request. If it is at Ancestry, send an invitation to me (firstname.lastname@example.org) with “viewer access” and also an invite to your tree if it is there. If not, send me a basic lineage from you back to Jackson & Polly. If your DNA test is elsewhere, you’ll have to complete the free transfer to FTDNA so I will have access to interpret your Guthrie matches. I will take a look and let you know if you match other people from Group 8, another group, or if there is no clear picture.
I don’t have a tree on Ancestry but hopefully I’ve send you my test results.
What would you need for my line back to the Guthries? Just the applicable DNA carriers of Guthrie?
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Ancestors with their spouses from you back to Jackson & Polly.